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Watched a bit of the Akron game. Hard to make any definitive statements about OK or UT based on their first game, but it's obvious OK has some great players that will make UT pay if they get loose.

I've seen posters on the OK boards touting the fact their HUNH offense would gas our front seven, and I was hoping to get an idea of how fast they really get plays off. I noted they only got 76 plays off in the Akron game, but we all know that doesn't always tell the tale. It was tough to gauge time between plays on the Fox broadcast because there was no play clock, but it appeared to be more of a TYTNH offense. I know Riley averaged in the upper 80s at his last gig, but it just didn't look fast enough to get those numbers.

Were my eyes deceiving me? Were they actually playing faster than it appeared? Or, is it simply going to take time to get the new system up and running?
 
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Overall, they ran a play on avg 4 seconds slower than BGSU. Fairly similar to UT's pace for most of the game.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Watched a bit of the Akron game. Hard to make any definitive statements about OK or UT based on their first game, but it's obvious OK has some great players that will make UT pay if they get loose.

I've seen posters on the OK boards touting the fact their HUNH offense would gas our front seven, and I was hoping to get an idea of how fast they really get plays off. I noted they only got 76 plays off in the Akron game, but we all know that doesn't always tell the tale. It was tough to gauge time between plays on the Fox broadcast because there was no play clock, but it appeared to be more of a TYTNH offense. I know Riley averaged in the upper 80s at his last gig, but it just didn't look fast enough to get those numbers.

Were my eyes deceiving me? Were they actually playing faster than it appeared? Or, is it simply going to take time to get the new system up and running?
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Starting offense was only on the field 1-3Qs and OU started hitting some big plays in the second half that skewed the number of plays. That being said OU did go all the way down the field 80 yards for a score in 60 seconds. We will run 90+ Saturday I bet.
 
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I wonder if the refs will delay any, it seemed they did it some against BG.

does OK run their plays as fast as UT does?
 
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sjt18 said:
Overall, they ran a play on avg 4 seconds slower than BGSU. Fairly similar to UT's pace for most of the game.
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Thanks. Couldn't find the information, and it was difficult to tell with my eyes. Not lightning, but fairly fast.
 
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AWR90 said:
Starting offense was only on the field 1-3Qs and OU started hitting some big plays in the second half that skewed the number of plays. That being said OU did go all the way down the field 80 yards for a score in 60 seconds. We will run 90+ Saturday I bet.
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I know a lot of things can skew number of plays and even time between plays, and that's why I asked. I also know it usually takes a season or two to get a team up to speed. I know Riley wants to tickle 90-per-game. It will be interesting to see how fast he can get to that average in the first season. Not intended as a shot at all. Just a limited amount of actual data to pull from at this point.
 
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They think we will have to slow the game down to win. I think it's more like they hope we slow the game down. Also I love how they get so giddy when they talk about HUNH. It's quite amusing.
 
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AWR90 said:
Starting offense was only on the field 1-3Qs and OU started hitting some big plays in the second half that skewed the number of plays. That being said OU did go all the way down the field 80 yards for a score in 60 seconds. We will run 90+ Saturday I bet.
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OU has the same problem that UT has whether people acknowledge it or not. Running fast... gives the ball back to the other team fast.

OU played a MAC team with no O. UT played one with very little D. OU played one with a pretty good D. UT played one with a pretty good O that has a QB that probably gets drafted and maybe a receiver or two too.

Ultimately, OU blew Akron out mostly because Akron couldn't move the ball. Ultimately, UT blew BGSU out because BGSU couldn't stop UT. BOTH of these games were close into the 2nd qtr.

The only other meaningful thing that can be drawn from the two games... is that BGSU is a better team than Akron.

IF UT should be wringing their hands because they had trouble stopping BGSU in the first half... then OU should be as well because they couldn't score on Akron until late in the 1st half.


Those games have been picked apart. Most of the "concern" has been on UT's side because their lapse showed up on the scoreboard.
 
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AWR90 said:
Starting offense was only on the field 1-3Qs and OU started hitting some big plays in the second half that skewed the number of plays. That being said OU did go all the way down the field 80 yards for a score in 60 seconds. We will run 90+ Saturday I bet.
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No you won't.
 
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DuckinVol said:
I know a lot of things can skew number of plays and even time between plays, and that's why I asked. I also know it usually takes a season or two to get a team up to speed. I know Riley wants to tickle 90-per-game. It will be interesting to see how fast he can get to that average in the first season. Not intended as a shot at all. Just a limited amount of actual data to pull from at this point.
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I agree, we don't really have a very good sample to pull from yet, but the hurry up is second nature to Oklahoma. OU ran this offense for the last 13 years and had the fastest offense ever in 2007. I know Ou has been working all offseason on NH silent snap for this game. If we go back to the Alabama game their big dline did not fare well against our fast paced offense and that was with our old offensive coordinator and a slower offense.
 
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JohnMcA60 said:
They think we will have to slow the game down to win. I think it's more like they hope we slow the game down. Also I love how they get so giddy when they talk about HUNH. It's quite amusing.
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Kind of tickled me too. It's like a few think it's something new they invented.
 
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sjt18 said:
OU has the same problem that UT has whether people acknowledge it or not. Running fast... gives the ball back to the other team fast.

OU played a MAC team with no O. UT played one with very little D. OU played one with a pretty good D. UT played one with a pretty good O that has a QB that probably gets drafted and maybe a receiver or two too.

Ultimately, OU blew Akron out mostly because Akron couldn't move the ball. Ultimately, UT blew BGSU out because BGSU couldn't stop UT. BOTH of these games were close into the 2nd qtr.

The only other meaningful thing that can be drawn from the two games... is that BGSU is a better team than Akron.

IF UT should be wringing their hands because they had trouble stopping BGSU in the first half... then OU should be as well because they couldn't score on Akron until late in the 1st half.


Those games have been picked apart. Most of the "concern" has been on UT's side because their lapse showed up on the scoreboard.
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Very well said. These two teams are close. Should be a great game and a true test for both teams.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Kind of tickled me too. It's like a few think it's something new they invented.
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It's like a unicorn to them. Magical and will hurt us. It's not like we played BGSU the week before or run a HUNH (not as much as some but still do) ourselves
 
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DuckinVol said:
Kind of tickled me too. It's like a few think it's something new they invented.
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Are you dumb? Mike leach invented the air raid/modern college offense at Oklahoma..its where it all started...LOL some of you guys.....:lolabove:
 
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AWR90 said:
Are you dumb? Mike leach invented the air raid/modern college offense at Oklahoma..its where it all started...LOL some of you guys.....:lolabove:
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Tennessee invented undefeated and un-scored on for a entire season. BFD what OK does.
 
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AWR90 said:
Are you dumb? Mike leach invented the air raid/modern college offendse at Oklahoma..its where it all started...LOL some of you guys.....:lolabove:
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Leach had never coached when the HUNH was invented. I'll have to check dates, but I'm not certain he was even born yet. I never brought up "air raid."

I was surprised though how many posters on OK boards thought HUNH was something we don't see on a routine basis. It can certainly gas any defense, but it won't be new. Hell, we ran 88 plays last week and faced a very fast paced offense. OK is a better team than BGSU, but they won't run a faster pace, and the UT defense got better late in the game.
 
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Nasavol said:
Uhh no, that would be Hal Mumme at KY
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Leach and Hal mumme co invented it a KY. Bob at his time at Florida thought that the air raid ran at KY was the hardest thing to stop on defense, so he brought leach over to install it at oklahoma. Then leach taught heupel (while he had to sit out a year because he was at snow), and then leach left for Texas tech (I believe) and in came mangino who used more of a run game than leach, but it was still the basic principle of the air raid.

TL:DR air raid thought of at kentucky by leach and mumme, and then took off because oklahoma won a national championship with it.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Leach had never coached when the HUNH was invented. I'll have to check dates, but I'm not certain he was even born yet. I never brought up "air raid."

I was surprised though how many posters on OK boards thought HUNH was something we don't see on a routine basis. It can certainly gas any defense, but it won't be new. Hell, we ran 88 plays last week and faced a very fast paced offense. OK is a better team than BGSU, but they won't run a faster pace, and the UT defense got better late in the game.
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The SEC is just staring to incorporate the spread. The vols DO NOT see the air raid/ spread on a regular basis. There are 4 teams(besides the vols) that run a version of the spread/air raid they are (Auburn (run based), Texas A&M (true air raid), Missouri (true air raid), and Alabama (under lane Kiffin they used it any time they were desperate))
 
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DuckinVol said:
Leach had never coached when the HUNH was invented. I'll have to check dates, but I'm not certain he was even born yet. I never brought up "air raid."

I was surprised though how many posters on OK boards thought HUNH was something we don't see on a routine basis. It can certainly gas any defense, but it won't be new. Hell, we ran 88 plays last week and faced a very fast paced offense. OK is a better team than BGSU, but they won't run a faster pace, and the UT defense got better late in the game.
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OU gets credit for the Air raid style offenses that plague college football nowadays. Nobody else...We won with it
 
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Silentsniper1516 said:
The SEC is just staring to incorporate the spread. The vols DO NOT see the air raid/ spread on a regular basis. There are 4 teams(besides the vols) that run a version of the spread/air raid they are (Auburn (run based), Texas A&M (true air raid), Missouri (true air raid), and Alabama (under lane Kiffin they used it any time they were desperate))
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"Air raid" had nothing to do with this post. HUNH was the issue. I even saw a poster asking, genuinely, if UT might try it. Thanks.
 
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DuckinVol said:
"Air raid" had nothing to do with this post. HUNH was the issue. I even saw a poster asking, genuinely, if UT might try it. Thanks.
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Are you kidding me? The HUNH offense your refferring to is the same thing as what OU started in 1999. Dont try to pretend we are talking about different things. We all know what the HUNH means in college football and NOBODY nobody ran until after 99. Kentucky doesnt count.
 
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