Ok...all I ask you "Fire Butch" crowd is.....

#78
#78
For the people wanting to fire the CBJ, do you really want to start this process all over? Haven't you people learned from the last 10 years that jumping ship over and over only keeps our team in the dumps.

Some people never learn.
 
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I'm looking at it like this. It has become apparent that Butch isn't the guy. He has made terrible in game decisions that have cost us. He has made terrible hires, and he has proven to be to stubborn to make this changes necessary to solve our problems. He isn't the guy who will lead us to championships so we can do one of two things. We can hire a new coach this year and he will inherit a lot of talent and be able to hit the ground running, or we can give Butch another year, he will inevitably fail which will be a year wasted, he will most likely bring in a below average recruiting class, then when we fire him, the new coach will not have as much to work with. Butch is not the guy. Anyone can see that. Let's set up out next coach to be successful as best we can.
 
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Spawn said:
For the people wanting to fire the CBJ, do you really want to start this process all over? Haven't you people learned from the last 10 years that jumping ship over and over only keeps our team in the dumps.

Some people never learn.
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Having a coach that can't win also keeps the program in the dumps. Dooley proved that. Butch's current record is starting to prove that. Has he improved the talent on roster? Yes. Has he improved the program? If your measurement is wins on the field, then to date, the answer is no.

The admin at UT needs to do some soul searching in regards to where the program is at right now. You think this is bad, imagine where we will be entering Halloween weekend @ KY and we're 2-5 after losses to UGA and Bama.
 
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Spawn said:
For the people wanting to fire the CBJ, do you really want to start this process all over? Haven't you people learned from the last 10 years that jumping ship over and over only keeps our team in the dumps.

Some people never learn.
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Starting the process over is not keeping our team in the dumps, continuing to hire bad coaches is.

Some people never learn.
 
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Shell out the money for a proven coach is all I ask for. If the AD hires another mid major coach then I might lose my mind. Knowing the athletic department then this is the likely course of action.
 
#83
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There is NO Chance Butch doesnt coach here next year barring a major scandal.
We are still paying DD. BJs buyout is 10M. It aint happening. Hart and or Cheek will go before Butch.
 
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vol81 said:
There is NO Chance Butch doesnt coach here next year barring a major scandal.
We are still paying DD. BJs buyout is 10M. It aint happening. Hart and or Cheek will go before Butch.
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2* million. Idk where these buyout numbers everyone is getting are coming from.
 
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Pooods said:
Who are you going to replace him with? Have we not been down this road before? This program once could have gotten most any coach out there but those days are gone. All the good ones are taken or wouldn't want the pressure of this. It is pressure! Yes the talent is better but after dropping Butch you will lose some of it and lose much of our next year's crop. It's easy to always scream fire. But, who do you get?
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I fully agree. I find myself on here bc I am a diehard Vols fan. However, after a significant amount of reading, I realize I am completely embarrassed and often dumbfounded by our fanbase. It's like a cancerous attitude, the whole "somebody else can do it better but idk who it is because I am angry and barely know what I'm talking about" philosophy, that has never ever led us to any positive consequences. Not a single one. I can sympathize with anyone on her. I am heartbroken with how the season has gone so far. We have played so many close games and lost them in the most defeating ways. As angry, irrational or disappointed I get, little by little,

I am starting to accept that this team is better but not quite there yet. I think we all were really excited going into this year. Unfortunately, it's a tragedy of wanting too much too soon. But it is also reality. We are most likely going to have a tough time with Georgia and a tough time with Alabama. Even in that case we can still end up a 7 or 8 win team this year. That was my prediction and I'm sticking with it (even though I feel we've been better at times).

I am not here to make excuses- I also recognize we have problems. There are top to bottom issues to need to be addressed. I think we have some gameplan issues that affect us late in the game that need to be fixed yesterday. For the OC, idk if we need a coaching change or if it is about getting comfortable with players. Either way, I notice that the playcalling at times is atrocious. I think we can blame some of the mistakes on youth though. We can promote competition and continue to address deficiencies by recruiting- where we have shined the last few years. We need to continue to bring in more offensive lineman. Injuries have depleted this group and I think one or two guys could mean the difference in at least one game. I think we also need safeties and DBs bc graduation and NFL will hit us hard here.

In the end, I don't think we can give up on the season. But I do have some armchair suggestions. I think we need to see the youth of our team push the veterans for meaningful playing time. I would like to see more offensive lineman out there than Crowder, Robertson and Kendrick. I would like to see Richmond, Mosley and maybe even Blair!!! Like everyone else, I'm sick of seeing Colton "White Man Can't" Jumper governing the middle of our defense. I really want to see more Kirkland, Bynum, Bates(!) or Gavin Frickin' Bryant!!! Seriously I'm getting upset at how little I have heard about these kids!
 
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turdherder11 said:
I would rather see Debord fired, and butch get one-two more years with a proven OC. this offense is all out of sync. It's not a good fit at all. Dobbs isn't a pocket passer, his running opens up his passing. can i get a play action?
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Put Azzani and Stripling on that list too. I haven't seen a WR the past 3 years be dominant and we've had talent there! And his system works because Texas A&M runs a very similar system and they are 5-0. Sumlin has the guts to bench a QB that wasn't getting it done too.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I'd make Gary Patterson turn down 6+ million a year. Second choice might be Justin Feunte, Kyle Whittingham, Matt Campbell since he can actually beat an SEC team with a lesser talented team.

If TCU who has a budget of 77 million can hire a great coach then we with 111 million should be able to find the right guy as well. No more cheap low ball coaches. Back the truck up to their house.
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Patterson aint coming here. He has already been jilted by this university when they hired Kiffin and he has turned TCU into a powerhouse. What you do though is Actually get one of their 2 OC and offer them a boat load. Make them turn down 2-2.5 million to be the OC here if you don't fire Jones.
 
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Hey I get it now: we fire Butch then the AD hires another disappointing coach so that's not the full issue. We would need to fire the AD and hire another but the guy that hires the AD would make another disappointing hire. So we would need to fire him and hire a new guy to hire the new guy that hires the new guy to lead our program into another legendary era. But once you get past that last guy there's nobody left. You'd basically have to start cheering for another team...
 
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My entry in the dreamstakes: Justin Fuente. Anybody who can turn Tiger High into a respectable program has my attention. Unfortunately, he's attracting a lot of attention from schools whose fans aren't convinced that their team is a college version of the New England Patriots.
 
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#92
Need to get rid of Mahoney, Azzanni, and DeBord and give Butch a 4th year. But, if we win 7 or less next year Butch needs to be fired.

Now, I know saying "fire him" is easy to say, but replacing them will be hard. But, I'm 100% convinced of we hire just about anyone else, we'll see better play.
 
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Spawn said:
For the people wanting to fire the CBJ, do you really want to start this process all over? Haven't you people learned from the last 10 years that jumping ship over and over only keeps our team in the dumps.

Some people never learn.
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Now we actually have the talent to win and we're not. That's obviously Why Butch's seat is getting hotter each week.
 
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Pooods said:
This program once could have gotten most any coach out there but those days are gone.
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Just to be clear, I am behind Butch Jones, but if you think we would have any trouble finding a new coach, you're crazy. At this point Tennessee is one of the most attractive, if not thee most attractive job in football right now. An SEC team, roster littered with young talent just waiting to turn the corner, extremely easy sell recruiting wise. Getting someone to come in would not be a problem at all. Relying on Hart to make the right hire would be our only worry.
 
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Firing him does no good. They will just hire another incompetent coach. History has proven that to be a fact.

The present is now the future. Congratulations world!
 
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Several options are available if we will follow the lead of Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan with their most recent hires by paying the big bucks and investing in winning rather than trying to find a budget hire. Here are some possible options.

(1) Chip Kelly (if he loses his NFL gig)
(2) Art Briles (Tennessee is historically a better program than Baylor and if we offer him the big bucks he would be likely to come)
(3) John Gruden
(4) Gary Patterson
(5) David Cutcliffe
(6) Mark Dantonio

Any of these proven winners are possible options if our administration is willing to pay the money necessary to bring in a great coach rather than another mid major budget hire.
 
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Hallo97 said:
Firing him does no good. They will just hire another incompetent coach. History has proven that to be a fact.

The present is now the future. Congratulations world!
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Nope. There's two ways to find "the guy". You either throw Saban/Meyer money at a proven commodity (which doesn't always work see Rich Rod and Mike Sherman) or you try coaches like Dooley, Jones, Freeze, Sumlin, McElwain, Muschamp, Kelly, Swinney, Fedora, etc who MIGHT be ready for the big stage. In the first case, you pay through the nose right away. In the second, you risk having some duds before finding "the guy".


The one sure way to never find "the guy" is to tolerate someone who isn't him for one second longer than you have to.

Unless he wins less than 6 games, Jones probably gets next year. The WORST thing that could happen in that case would be for him to win 8 or 9 games next fall to preserve his job. The blessing with Dooley is that he was so bad there was no way to keep him after year 3.
 
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Florida and Michigan has proved if you hire the right coach there is no "year zeros" and there is instant winning.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
I saw an article this week stating that Gruden already makes more money than 27 NFL head coaches.

There's no way he would leave his cake job for this high pressure one considering that UT wouldn't be able to to pay him any more than he already makes.
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Exactly. I think Gruden is a Tennessee fan. But he's just that a fan, the same as us. He has no desire to be a coach here or anywhere else IMO as he's had many opportunities.
 
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