Offseason Decisions Seal CBJ Tenure

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Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
 
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VFLinFL said:
Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
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Butch has an offensive background. He was never gonna hire an OC like Helfrich because any success that the offense has would be an indictment more of Helfrich's coaching ability instead of Butch's smarts to hire the guy.
 
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VFLinFL said:
Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
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Dude, talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees. Jeez. You don’t know who to blame????
 
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Gotta quit blaming injuries at some point. Butch has had 5 years to build depth, he has none.


Excuses not excepted
 
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VFLinFL said:
Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
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Watching Scott call plays is literally giving me cancer. I agree though Scott was promoted because if he would have hired a homerun OC then CBJ would look bad.
 
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One constant under Butch has been assistants not getting along and even with the new hires it seems to be the case. You don't want to put all the blame on the head coach but if the same thing happens over and over and over then you have to give him the blame.

He seems to be great at making promises to people but terrible at managing people once they're on the team or the staff.
 
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At the beginning, Butch wanted to hire his buddies. Our administration wanted to save every penny possible. Butch's MAC buddies were cheaper than competent SEC assistants. Butch was happy and the administration was happy.
 
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I believe promoting Scott to OC was his biggest mistake. He didn't want to lose a hot commodity to another program, IMO. I don't really have an issue with all the other decisions. Also, it's not unusual that it will take more than one year for this many staff changes to gel. Unfortunately, Butch's time has run out.
 
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Making a home run hire as an OC was never going to happen last year. Butch wasn't performing well enough to calm don't loud, angry elements of the fan base and the environment was so toxic that no outstanding OC candidate was ever going to get involved. I just hope that the same nasty fans haven't already ruined the the attractiveness of the soon to be open position to the point that UT can't land a top flight head coach. At least it should be better than a Dooley.
 
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WRONG! I've decided it all goes back to the Athletic Department. Neyland, Woodruff, Dickey were Athletic Directors with athletic backgrounds. They understood what it took and what it meant to succeed. They knew about sitting at the kitchen table with recruits and their families. They knew roles and responsibilities.

They were "football" people and the basketball interests felt outside the circle. They whined and a new version of athletic director was born --- the academic! Hamilton was praised as a great fund raiser although the program went down financially. Hart was aloof and seemed to care more about FSU/'bama than UT. Currie was a history and political science major at Wake Forest. They knew more about sitting at the banquet table with rubber prime rib than visiting recruits or putting Xs and Os together in any sport.
 
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VFLinFL said:
Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
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UT runs Jones' version of the west coast spread. He sees himself as an offensive coach... and he believes in his system without wavering.

It has nothing to do with assistants except maybe the contributions to recruiting and development of guys who are already gone. Jones has a bad O that he thinks is great if players would just execute it correctly. Jones has failed to build a roster anything like what he should have in 5 years.
 
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screenthis said:
I believe promoting Scott to OC was his biggest mistake. He didn't want to lose a hot commodity to another program, IMO. I don't really have an issue with all the other decisions. Also, it's not unusual that it will take more than one year for this many staff changes to gel. Unfortunately, Butch's time has run out.
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Scott looked at the talent he had. He looked at who had won or was winning the QB battle. Based on that, he began to talk about running more under center starting in March. He talked about it in interviews this summer... in August... and since the season began.

IMHO, he has wanted to make scheme changes. There's only one guy who could tell him "no"... and leave UT with the same plays they've been trying to run since Jones arrived. Scott is not the problem. Jones is.
 
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sjt18 said:
Scott looked at the talent he had. He looked at who had won or was winning the QB battle. Based on that, he began to talk about running more under center starting in March. He talked about it in interviews this summer... in August... and since the season began.

IMHO, he has wanted to make scheme changes. Scott is not the problem. Jones is.
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Das is true... I had high hopes of a running game w QB under center, esp in the red zone, like the ONE-YARD LINE, but Butch f'd that up and it cost him his job. His chances have run out, time to move on...
 
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Would you go to work for a sh**ty boss just because it was with a good company?

Maybe you'd say yes in the business world, but not in the football world. In the FB world, when the boss gets fired, everybody gets fired.
 
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VFLinFL said:
Why does it seem too difficult to get the best assistant coaches with a program like the University of Tennessee that is in the Southeastern Conference? Yes I know we hired Shoop from Penn State and he seemed like a homerun hire but to his defense injuries have destroyed our defense. I don’t know whom to blame for promoting Scott, Wells and hiring Canales? CBJ? Dave Hart? Anyone else to blame? If CBJ would have hired coaches with the credibility Shoop had to replace Mike Debord and Don Mahoney where does everyone here on Volnation think our football program would stand right now? Also I know we hired Brady Hoke but he is the defensive line coach and not coaching offense.
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It really doesn't matter who he hires IMO. Butch is the one in charge and it's going to be done his way results be damned! That's why he can't attract a top shelf OC, because they're going to want to install their system. Butch wants someone who is going to run his system his way.
 
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yuenglinguy78 said:
Watching Scott call plays is literally giving me cancer. I agree though Scott was promoted because if he would have hired a homerun OC then CBJ would look bad.
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Chizik hired Gus and he was able to keep his job for a while. Then when Gus left for Arkansas State, Auburn's offense took a hit. Gus waited his time out at Arkansas State until Chizik was fired and then he headed back to Auburn as the head coach.
My point is that Fulmer & Chizik both had success by hiring offensive minded, shall I say genious.
 
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I think Butch wanting to keep the same Offense dictated his hire. Debord was a similar example. On the D, I think he gambled with Shoop and that was a good effort. On the offense though he didn’t even try to find another quality OC from some of the more high powered offenses. He wanted to keep his offensive system no matter what and that will ultimately cost him his job.
 
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Shoop wasn't a gamble. The only blemish on Shoop's resume is his time working for Jones.
 
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Stubborn to a fault.. A lot of coaches are. The best ones adapt their offense to what they have , not the square peg round hole deal. That's where Jones failed.

I will say something else. He has talent littered through this roster and half of it never saw the field enough. Killed depth. Seemed to have babied some guys, and made some promises that cost him.. Better players riding pine make no sense when your job is on the line.
 
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