Official Midterm Election Results

[theFallGuy]

We have wine in grocery stores in my state with no problems. But yes I would have voted for it.

gotcha. just checking

 

[hog88]

It has little to do with the moral high ground. It had to do with voting for people who will address my issues. There is no lesser of 2 if neither are willing to do that. It's like a slave choosing to move from one plantation to another when there's still a small chance at freedom

Blaming those who actually show up and cast an informed vote seems a little ridiculous

How is that working out for you? What's the libertarian parties main policy goals during this congressional term?

Why did GJ leave the Republican party?

 

[utvolpj]

How is that working out for you? What's the libertarian parties main policy goals during this congressional term?

Why did GJ leave the Republican party?

It's working as well as anyone believing the 2 parties will address those issues. Smaller govt means less money and the parties in power can't have that. Keep lining their pockets and showing you approve of their measures though

As for GJ, I don't blame him for leaving a party where Bachmann polls better.

 

[Gramps]

The only thing that could be remotely call corporate welfare would be grants such as those given to Solyndra and such that wasn't to be paid back.

What's your issue with government contracts?

Hog , you are smarter than that.

What do you call these and why to we give these corporations this kind of subsidizes?
I call it what it is corporate welfare.

Nike.. 2 + Billion

Shell 2+ Billion

Fiat 2 + Billion

Ford 2.5+ Billion

GM 3.5+ Billion

Intel 3.5+ Billion

Alcoa 5.5+ Billion

Boeing 13+ Billion


Subsidy Tracker Top 100 Parent Companies | Good Jobs First

 

[hog88]

It's working as well as anyone believing the 2 parties will address those issues. Smaller govt means less money and the parties in power can't have that. Keep lining their pockets and showing you approve of their measures though

As for GJ, I don't blame him for leaving a party where Bachmann polls better.

So in short you vote to keep the status quo.

When's the last time you voted in an R primary, worked for an opposing candidate running for a nomination as an R? Done anything to change the system?

 

[red butler]

All true however until we, the people remove the entrenched establishment nothing will change. Keeping your ass at home during the primaries then voting 3rd party in the general ensures nothing changes!

How many Republican politicians woke up this morning thinking they now have a mandate for their brand of big government?

How many woke up thinking the key to victory was squashing all the Tea Party/libertarian candidates in the primaries. Heck, Karl Rove practically said that last night.

 

[utvolpj]

So in short you vote to keep the status quo.

When's the last time you voted in an R primary, worked for an opposing candidate running for a nomination as an R? Done anything to change the system?

I've voted in every R primary where I was eligible. I've campaigned for a few and donated. After a while you can notice a pattern and realize the machine is too big to ever change course. It will simply run aground one day

 

[hog88]

How many Republican politicians woke up this morning thinking they now have a mandate for their brand of big government?

How many woke up thinking the key to victory was squashing all the Tea Party/libertarian candidates in the primaries. Heck, Karl Rove practically said that last night.

I'm sure several did. But again you miss the point.

The primaries at the local, state and house levels are where change can be made. When an incumbent has no opponent or the disaffected stay home the same people get on the ticket. Then you (and others) complain about the candidates, take this holier than thou attitude about how you can't support the establishment. Then to top it off, come the general election you throw your vote away on a 3rd party no chance candidate.

 

[hog88]

I've voted in every R primary where I was eligible. I've campaigned for a few and donated. After a while you can notice a pattern and realize the machine is too big to ever change course. It will simply run aground one day

So have I and have actually seen results at the state and local level, one day I hope to see some on a national level.

 

[volinbham]

Hog , you are smarter than that.

What do you call these and why to we give these corporations this kind of subsidizes?
I call it what it is corporate welfare.

Nike.. 2 + Billion

Shell 2+ Billion

Fiat 2 + Billion

Ford 2.5+ Billion

GM 3.5+ Billion

Intel 3.5+ Billion

Alcoa 5.5+ Billion

Boeing 13+ Billion


Subsidy Tracker Top 100 Parent Companies | Good Jobs First

I took a quick look at this (Nike and Boeing). The subsidies are almost entirely state or local with things like tax breaks, infrastructure builds to attract them etc.

I would consider that different than Federal "subsidies".

 

[hog88]

I took a quick look at this (Nike and Boeing). The subsidies are almost entirely state or local with things like tax breaks, infrastructure builds to attract them etc.

I would consider that different than Federal "subsidies".

All depends on what one's whining about on that particular day.

 

[McDad]

I've voted in every R primary where I was eligible. I've campaigned for a few and donated. After a while you can notice a pattern and realize the machine is too big to ever change course. It will simply run aground one day

I agree. Don't you think the best way for libertarians to make headway in the political quagmire is at the local level? They make a name for themselves and then can use that recognition in national elections. Of course, we all hope they avoid being corrupted as they are in the den of iniquity.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

Hog , you are smarter than that.

What do you call these and why to we give these corporations this kind of subsidizes?
I call it what it is corporate welfare.

Nike.. 2 + Billion

Shell 2+ Billion

Fiat 2 + Billion

Ford 2.5+ Billion

GM 3.5+ Billion

Intel 3.5+ Billion

Alcoa 5.5+ Billion

Boeing 13+ Billion


Subsidy Tracker Top 100 Parent Companies | Good Jobs First

Corporate profits are taxed twice federally and twice in most states. If a state or municipality wants to "let" the shareholders of a corp keep more of their own money then good.

 

[lawgator1]

Hog , you are smarter than that.

What do you call these and why to we give these corporations this kind of subsidizes?
I call it what it is corporate welfare.

Nike.. 2 + Billion

Shell 2+ Billion

Fiat 2 + Billion

Ford 2.5+ Billion

GM 3.5+ Billion

Intel 3.5+ Billion

Alcoa 5.5+ Billion

Boeing 13+ Billion


Subsidy Tracker Top 100 Parent Companies | Good Jobs First

It really is absolutely remarkable, isn't it?

I've never heard a good argument for it, and when you ask any politician, its always some gobbledygook that really makes no sense.

But its a pretty good deal for them. Bribe politicians with tens of millions in campaign contributions, get a check form the feds the next year for $2 billion. Spend a little of that on businesses owned by those politicians, so they get a kick back of their own.

Its all good.

How many Republican politicians woke up this morning thinking they now have a mandate for their brand of big government?

How many woke up thinking the key to victory was squashing all the Tea Party/libertarian candidates in the primaries. Heck, Karl Rove practically said that last night.

Can you blame him? Its easy to run a right wing loon at the House level because its a defined neighborhood and often their lunacy is shared with people also living there.

But the larger the geographic area, the more likely it is that you are going to have enough non-numbskull moderates living there that cancels that out. That's why nutjobs usually can't win a Senate seat (O'Donnell being a good example).

At the national level, Rove realizes it is certain death to put someone up who is going to scare the beejezus out of regular folks. "Personhood" amendments, religious themes, all that stuff alienates once you get past the loons.

He's right on this point.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Pretty sure those subsidies are actually tax write offs for purchasing equipment.

 

[KBVol]

Fox now says it's the beginning of a wave ....

And it very much was......

 

[volinbham]

It really is absolutely remarkable, isn't it?

I've never heard a good argument for it, and when you ask any politician, its always some gobbledygook that really makes no sense.

But its a pretty good deal for them. Bribe politicians with tens of millions in campaign contributions, get a check form the feds the next year for $2 billion. Spend a little of that on businesses owned by those politicians, so they get a kick back of their own.

Its all good.

Having worked with economic development folks I can assure that the "subsidies" to bring a Mercedes to Alabama have paid off at least 100x.

Sure some don't net out to the positive but states frequently effectively use these incentives to boost the economy.

Take a look at New York - a blue, blue state has gone, red, red, red when it comes to attracting business; particularly since their blue policies ran off businesses.

 

[hog88]

Having worked with economic development folks I can assure that the "subsidies" to bring a Mercedes to Alabama have paid off at least 100x.

Sure some don't net out to the positive but states frequently effectively use these incentives to boost the economy.

Take a look at New York - a blue, blue state has gone, red, red, red when it comes to attracting business; particularly since their blue policies ran off businesses.

You would think a strong labor guy such as LG would support these "subsidies".

 

[FLVOL69]

And it very much was......

More like a tsunami.😜

 

[lawgator1]

And it very much was......

Consider this:

You picked up a two seat majority, I guess a third pending.

And you did it with a POTUS whose ratings are George Bushe-esque, the exit polling shows 70 % of the country angry or at least dissatisfied.

Your base was energized to finally send a message to Obama. And many of the races were barely won, and only after hundreds of millions were spent on multiple races by GOP benefactors.

Your Majority leader could only manage to get 56 % of the vote IN HIS OWN STATE.

In 2016, when the numbers in terms of turnout are far different, and after two years of nothing really getting done, there are 34 seats up for reelection in the Senate, of which 24 are Republican seats.

I'd say you might want to take a breath before you start talking about a mandate or a wave. Chances are pretty good the Senate is going to go right back to the Dems in '16.

 

[FLVOL69]

Consider this:

You picked up a two seat majority, I guess a third pending.

And you did it with a POTUS whose ratings are George Bushe-esque, the exit polling shows 70 % of the country angry or at least dissatisfied.

Your base was energized to finally send a message to Obama. And many of the races were barely won, and only after hundreds of millions were spent on multiple races by GOP benefactors.

Your Majority leader could only manage to get 56 % of the vote IN HIS OWN STATE.

In 2016, when the numbers in terms of turnout are far different, and after two years of nothing really getting done, there are 34 seats up for reelection in the Senate, of which 24 are Republican seats.

I'd say you might want to take a breath before you start talking about a mandate or a wave. Chances are pretty good the Senate is going to go right back to the Dems in '16.

Blah Blah Blah, this election was about your boys policies plain and simple. Lmfao

 

[BeecherVol]

I thought the governor races (particularly mid west) were interesting considering how the campaigning played out.

 

[theFallGuy]

Consider this:

You picked up a two seat majority, I guess a third pending.

And you did it with a POTUS whose ratings are George Bushe-esque, the exit polling shows 70 % of the country angry or at least dissatisfied.

Your base was energized to finally send a message to Obama. And many of the races were barely won, and only after hundreds of millions were spent on multiple races by GOP benefactors.

Your Majority leader could only manage to get 56 % of the vote IN HIS OWN STATE.

In 2016, when the numbers in terms of turnout are far different, and after two years of nothing really getting done, there are 34 seats up for reelection in the Senate, of which 24 are Republican seats.

I'd say you might want to take a breath before you start talking about a mandate or a wave. Chances are pretty good the Senate is going to go right back to the Dems in '16.

.

 

[BeecherVol]

Blah Blah Blah, this election was about your boys policies plain and simple. Lmfao

Listen to some commentary on CNN last night, several of those on the panel felt the Rs took what they did because they got the focus shifted to the federal level and the Ds stuck more with local issues and couldnt detached from Obama.

 

[DC_Vol]

I'd say you might want to take a breath before you start talking about a mandate or a wave. Chances are pretty good the Senate is going to go right back to the Dems in '16.

In the meantime, I've tuned into MSNBC to watch the meltdown. And get the pleasure of hearing them tell their sheep that this election was not a repudiation of Obama's policies. And that the Republicans now need to reach across the aisle (something you NEVER heard while the Dems had control). And that any gridlock would now be at the feet of Republicans (though it didn't stop them receiving the blame when they didn't have control).

Hopefully, the Republicans will put together a true platform of economic reform and put some restraints on the federal government. If they continue to be Democrat lite, I will agree with you that 2016 will be a good year for the donkeys.

But today, I'll look forward to Chris Matthews eating lemons.

EDIT: Barrack's childish presser and his worthless platitudes was pretty cool, too.