Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVII

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Holy crap. It's bad outside this thread. I really don't see any way Butch is back next year and most of the people who cover the program with any regularity agree. The lack of a clear message is making people assume the worst and outside trolls are having a field day.
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Why do we have to keep rehashing this? He’s GONE.

100%.

Will not be back.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Holy crap. It's bad outside this thread. I really don't see any way Butch is back next year and most of the people who cover the program with any regularity agree. The lack of a clear message is making people assume the worst and outside trolls are having a field day.
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So you're saying the heat has been turned up?
 
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When does it just become sad? Maybe reason we are not hearing anything is because there is nothing going on to hear. Why would Antone Davis leave if he knew Butch was leaving? Maybe because Butch isn’t going anywhere
 
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DipBeerandFootbal said:
I think we need to be more patient and allow Currie to do his job. I mean he just secured funding of $180 million for Neyland Stadium renovations. This does not paint the picture of a man willing to settle for mediocrity and the BOT must agree. I would love to have Gruden, but he may have his eyes on another coach and is waiting for the season to end to have formal discussions. Also, MNF doesn't end till Dec 25th and it just isn't logical for Gruden to abandon his post or announce anything mid-season. Saban wasn't announced until Jan 4th. Until Butch completely loses the locker room, he is still our best option for winning and to save face for the program. Based on what we have seen so far, I feel it will be after the season is over till anything major is announced. I know it's not what we want to hear, but patience my fellow Volunteers.
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BIG difference now. NSD is Dec 20th. You HAVE to have your guy in place by Dec 6 to have any shot at salvaging a recruiting class. Hire a HC by 12/6, position coaches by 12/13 and even then, how many guys would sign with a guy they have known for a week?

I'll say this for any coaching change in CFB, ANY AD that drags his feet and go past the first week in December will kill their recruiting.

If a new hire isn't made by Dec 8th (Mays OV) then he is gone.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Holy crap. It's bad outside this thread. I really don't see any way Butch is back next year and most of the people who cover the program with any regularity agree. The lack of a clear message is making people assume the worst and outside trolls are having a field day.
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I get it. The fear is real for me. Until I know he's gone, I'm going to feel a little queasy
 
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Sstterry said:
I hope they don't! The kids deserve better than that! Could impact the coaching search and recruiting also!
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Me either. Hyamms and others keep saying the kids are playing hard which proves he hasn’t lost the locker room. Bull crap. They are competitive and are playing for each other and the T. NOT for freakin Botch!
 
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butchna said:
So Gruden’s willingness to coach again is a non-factor?
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Gruden is willing to coach again. He has said so multiple times. He has also called Tennessee a "dream job". And he said he would consider coaching in college.

These are facts, not theories.

Yes, it's a non-factor.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Good morning everyone.

I've been in California the last few days working on a new book of business, but I've been somewhat following this.

I like all of the analysis done so far regarding the situation with Ergen and the Beaver. This lines up perfectly with what I had assumed. However, I'm not totally sold yet. Making the solid leap requires quite a bit of speculation. However, I do believe that the Beav is on the same side as Ergen, even if I'm undecided that he is working for him directly.

Here's the piece of the puzzle that i can't figure out, and perhaps its the piece of the puzzle that is confounding everyone and everything: What is Currie's interest in avoiding Gruden?

Totally ignoring Haslam for now, why would JC not be on board with JG? The easy answer is control, but no one can identify what "control" actually means in this context. Does Currie have concerns about tying his job to JG's success, and worries that he's not able to get it done? Is there a financial obligation we're unaware of? Does he have a desire for a different coach we haven't heard of yet? It's just a puzzle that I can't figure out.

Putting Haslam back into the equation, more scenarios emerge, but raise their own questions as well. It seems easy to say that Haslam may be against JG, but the only reason my be the aforementioned "control." Without knowing what that means, its pretty difficult to quantify possible objections.

Could it be that Currie and Haslam have a deal worked out from the hire? That has certainly been speculated, but that theory requires forming a belief about some pretty deep conspiracy. I generally avoid forming those types of beliefs, because they are often false. Powerful people know that conspiracy eventually bites them, and there would be enough criminal liability that they would want to avoid that if possible.

Does Haslam have a coach in mind? Is this truly a financial decision? What stake does Haslam really have in the University and the football program (how does he actually profit?).

Ultimately, if we are to believe the narrative, these questions are the crux of the issue. What possible interest could Currie have to oppose the JG hire (assuming the deal is structured as Beav has indicated)?

One possible alternative is that JC and the Haslam family is not actually obstructing the deal - but the negative press from the Beav, etc. belies that possibility (unless the argument is about timing and not objectives).

Anyways, I'm still optimistic for the narrative as presented. I'm choosing to believe, because I want to believe. We may all end up looking a fool, but that's a small price to pay for hope.
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Seems like we are all on the same page...
Someone please answer these questions.
;)
 
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preacherman4vols said:
When does it just become sad? Maybe reason we are not hearing anything is because there is nothing going on to hear. Why would Antone Davis leave if he knew Butch was leaving? Maybe because Butch isn’t going anywhere
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Butch is gone...just a matter of when..

The fact that he ran off one our legends infuriates me...it's embarrassing...
 
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there is something we can do while we wait

make a phone call or send an email to John Currie and tell him WE WANT GRUDEN !

and the ONLY "FAN EXPERIENCE" we want is WINNING FOOTBALL and CHAMPIONSHIPS

(865) 974-1224 athleticdirector@utk.edu

c'mon ....let's do this VOLS !!!
 
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