So the WHOLE Gruden plan involves us signing him likely in the middle or end of December (which it is not, still early) and I come into this thread to see everyone seriously thinking Butch Jones is going to be hired...guys, WHAT else do you need to see out of this process to realize its been Gruden the whole time. How bad does this "list" have to get before you finally go "I don't buy that, no way this is for real". If I told you in October our list would be down to Butch Jones, the special teams/assistant DB coach for the Bengals, and Tommy Bowde none of you would buy that garbage. Grude day