Official Jon Gruden Thread XIX

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Here, Ill try.

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Panthro said:
I'm certainly not trying to throw cold water on this party, but what makes everyone think Gruden would be even a good college football coach.
It seems everyone has forgotten his BIGGEST flaw as a pro coach was his inability to remain patient with young players. He seemingly hated rookies.
I mentioned Gruden to a lifelong Bucs fan, and he horse-laughed at the idea of CJG working with a college freshman. Suggested there might be a murder.
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#1ManningFan said:
Welp as I stated yesterday why I want Gruden. Let me add to this nugget. These are the QB's Gruden had to work with in Tampa (never got a 1st rd QB to groom).

Brad Johnson (old)
Chris Simms (3rd rd)
Brain Griese (old)
Bruce Gradkowski (6th rd)
Tim Rattay (who?)
Jeff Garcia (old)

The only QB Gruden was able to get on the same page with him was Rich Gannon when he was with the Raiders. He turned him into a Pro Bowl QB and MVP. Gruden was a hot head because he was dealing with incompetent QB's. But everything ive read is that he would be a lot calmer and collective if he coached again and take a different approach with his QB's. His system was great but never had the QB in Tampa to make his offense flourish. I lived in Tampa all those years he was with the Bucs and my family still does and I can tell ya the Bucs regret getting rid of him.

IMO just because he hasn't coached in the last decade doesn't mean he's lost it. As we all know he's around it 24/7. But he's never recruited?! Welp that's why you bring in a top notch coaching staff to help and get him up to speed. Saban rarely leaves the Tuscaloosa footprint to recruit. His coaches do. He only makes visit if he feels needed to close the deal. I think Gruden would do the same.
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Brain Griese? Hahahahaaaa...
 
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Regarding “insiders” and trusting information, everybody needs to understand something.

The TL;DR is this – sources are only as good as the info those sources have.

There are probably about 3 people within the AD that know everything going on. Those people aren’t talking. I’m sure there’s a small circle outside those 3 or so (maybe another 10) that things get implied to, that might hear a name or number, or might be copied on an email with references to other information where they think they can fill in the gaps. On the booster side, there’s probably a short list of high level boosters (people with net worth in the 9 or 10 digit range) who have direct knowledge because, as one poster put it earlier, they’re footing the bill. Those people aren’t going to run their mouths. If you have 9 digit net worth, you know when to shut up. That short list of high level boosters (maybe 6-12 people) has a surrounding group of people involved in their communications that probably expands the list of “people in the know” on the booster side to about 25. That being said, outside of the probably 3 at the AD and the directly involved high level boosters, communication it not going to be 100% accurate, and accurate information may not be current.

Let me give you an example. A while back there was a situation at the company I work for. There was some key information that had been shared with small group within management. Let’s say 5 people total. Turns out, after some additional information gathering, there were some issues related to 1 person within that group of 5 that needed to be addressed. The plan by the other 4 was that the two most senior people within that group walk deliver the tough conversation to the one who needed to hear it.
In this situation, I was one of the 4 who knew that conversation was going to take place. I had been told when that conversation would take place BY THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. However, it didn’t happen. Was told again when it would occur… didn’t happen. Throughout, I assured concerned parties who were close to the situation but not within the group of 5 that a conversation would take place.
Turns out, the conversation did take place, but it looked nothing like I expected it to (based on what I was told). And I was someone who not only had direct knowledge of the situation the whole time, but had ongoing communication with the 2 most senior members of the group, and was in the driver’s seat for most of the communication overall.

I say all that to make this point: situations like this are exceptionally delicate for a lot of reasons and require lots of experience and judgement at the person level every step of the way. Just because somebody who is an “insider” posts something doesn’t mean it’s right. And just because they were wrong, that doesn’t mean they’re a troll. Their information is likely coming from someone on the peripheral of either the AD or high level booster network – and that’s if they have a VERY good source. No one’s source is Peyton… no one’s source is Currie. Everything else is subject to translation through 2 or 3 people. By the time it’s shared, it’s probably only 50% accurate and out of date.

Someone will get it right. Others who were right will end up looking wrong because the information changed.
 
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