Official Jon Gruden Thread XIX

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goinuponatuesday said:
Also there is a lot of tension. If you say one thing someone doesn't like you are a troll, so tread light
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I will also say I apologize. I had your username mixed up with anther username. As soon as you stayed posting tonight my mind went to that user. After I read what 90Vol said I went back and searched your posts and I was wrong. I'm sorry!
 
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Skizer41 said:
I will also say I apologize. I had your username mixed up with anther username. As soon as you stayed posting tonight my mind went to that user. After I read what 90Vol said I went back and searched your posts and I was wrong. I'm sorry!
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Ya you all threw me off, ha. No worries man, all is cool
 
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Just heard a rumor that Butch will be offered an assistant coach position with the Cleveland Browns as part of his buyout deal.

Has that been mentioned here? I'm a little behind on today's posts.

*****I have no inside sources. This is just a random rumor I heard that sounded semi-legit.*****
 
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andywilson001 said:
Just heard a rumor that Butch will be offered an assistant coach position with the Cleveland Browns as part of his buyout deal.

Has that been mentioned here? I'm a little behind on today's posts.

*****I have no inside sources. This is just a random rumor I heard that sounded semi-legit.*****
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What ut player left for two years for a church mission?
 
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goinuponatuesday said:
Ya you all threw me off, ha. No worries man, all is cool
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Thank you for accepting my apology bro. I'm trying to find that other user. He posted in the previous Gruden thread but I'm on my phone and I think I must have ignored him and I don't know how to view my ignore list on my phone. If I find him I well let you know. Sorry again.
 
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#5,185
I've read all of this garbage and I've gotten sucked in like everyone else. Here's my take.

I've made a decent living from being able to synthesize data, extract the relevant information and draw correct conclusions; but I've never seen anything like this.

I have no contacts, info, etc. I'm trying to form an opinion here and wading through all the manure to get there is a chore.

Theories:
Butch's fate was sealed weeks ago and an agreement has been reached on his resignation. Some effort to get the horse back in the barn after the info leaked out, but this one is done. Too many reliable folks indicating this.

Jon Gruden is a candidate, the candidate, for the job. Same as above. Too many reasonable people reporting this information. He is a candidate, not a unicorn.

Gruden's original answer prior to seeing any offer was, "no thanks." One respected writer on TOS explicitly said over a week ago Gruden would not be the next coach at UT. Over time it became apparent his sources came from the Gruden camp, not the UT camp.

Gruden's original answer reminds me of Saban's original answer when Bama was courting him. What else could Gruden say, especially since we still have a coach. But it wasn't a final answer, since he didn't have all the information.

Solid leaks aren't coming from within UT. It's been detailed how Currie works and how tightly he keeps the lid on searches. Staff have apparently been reminded that leaks can lead to "future endeavors." Widely reported that very few, perhaps less than 5 other people, are privy to the actual progress of the search. Given this, it precludes any of the leaks coming here or elsewhere from being related to people directly involved. So, they're either related but not directly involved parties at UT, friends and family of the Gruden's or folks full of crap. I suspect we're seeing all three in this thread.

Nothing will be finalized, announced, etc with any coach at this point. The idea that some folks have that a deal will be reached now and information will be dispersed is ridiculous. They've not even announced Jones' departure. No verifiable information will emanate from UT until after the resignation is announced.

The Gruden deal is not dead. There are too many problems with this theory. First, if Gruden is truly Currie's 1-10th choice, then being turned down once or twice would not deter Currie. Likewise, Gruden's agent isn't going to just go along with whatever first theoretical offer is tossed out. As folks have said this will be protracted and fluid. Second, things shifted from stunningly positive to despairingly negative too fast. I suspect on that regard, Currie got tired of the leaks and decided to put out misinformation. Not to hide the fact that a deal was done, but just to relieve pressure and keep as many folks as possible out of the process. Third, as several folks have pointed out, the money is moving against the general sentiment. There's a reason that people don't beat the market investing. Those with information don't speak, they just move money. If there was real momentum that he was going to a pro franchise instead of UT, the odds would not have tumbled the way they did.

The visit to Knoxville, the house hunting and the messages from the fraternity angles have been overplayed. None provide any real evidence of Gruden's intentions. These to me are nothing but red herrings that make great internet rumor fodder. Would be different if the Grudens didn't already have so many ties to the area, but because they do, there are plenty of reasons for them to be in town and looking to buy a house and live there at least part of the time.

On the other hand, the money is not an issue and neither is MNF. These are things that can be worked out fairly easily if parties on both sides are motivated.

So all this typing to conclude this:
- Jones is gone and it appears this will become public sooner rather than later.
- Coach Fulmer will finish the year, at least the regular season
- Gruden is being recruited, but it's still in process. No decision points have been reached.
- The good feelings from the past two days reveal he was more receptive than some thought, but no more than that.
- The bad feelings today are either over-reaction to natural negotiations or a smokescreen to throw people off the story
- No deal is inked or dead with any candidate. I believe the earliest we'll hear about any full-time coach hire will be the week of Missouri or LSU. Gruden or otherwise.
- I hope like heck it's Gruden, but I believe JAV and others in that even if it's not, I don't think there is any chance we're pulling from the MAC or Sunbelt this time.
- I have wasted an inordinate amount of time on this mess and I'm going to bed.
 
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vol9799 said:
I've read all of this garbage and I've gotten sucked in like everyone else. Here's my take.

I've made a decent living from being able to synthesize data, extract the relevant information and draw correct conclusions; but I've never seen anything like this.

I have no contacts, info, etc. I'm trying to form an opinion here and wading through all the manure to get there is a chore.

Theories:
Butch's fate was sealed weeks ago and an agreement has been reached on his resignation. Some effort to get the horse back in the barn after the info leaked out, but this one is done. Too many reliable folks indicating this.

Jon Gruden is a candidate, the candidate, for the job. Same as above. Too many reasonable people reporting this information. He is a candidate, not a unicorn.

Gruden's original answer prior to seeing any offer was, "no thanks." One respected writer on TOS explicitly said over a week ago Gruden would not be the next coach at UT. Over time it became apparent his sources came from the Gruden camp, not the UT camp.

Gruden's original answer reminds me of Saban's original answer when Bama was courting him. What else could Gruden say, especially since we still have a coach. But it wasn't a final answer, since he didn't have all the information.

Solid leaks aren't coming from within UT. It's been detailed how Currie works and how tightly he keeps the lid on searches. Staff have apparently been reminded that leaks can lead to "future endeavors." Widely reported that very few, perhaps less than 5 other people, are privy to the actual progress of the search. Given this, it precludes any of the leaks coming here or elsewhere from being related to people directly involved. So, they're either related but not directly involved parties at UT, friends and family of the Gruden's or folks full of crap. I suspect we're seeing all three in this thread.

Nothing will be finalized, announced, etc with any coach at this point. The idea that some folks have that a deal will be reached now and information will be dispersed is ridiculous. They've not even announced Jones' departure. No verifiable information will emanate from UT until after the resignation is announced.

The Gruden deal is not dead. There are too many problems with this theory. First, if Gruden is truly Currie's 1-10th choice, then being turned down once or twice would not deter Currie. Likewise, Gruden's agent isn't going to just go along with whatever first theoretical offer is tossed out. As folks have said this will be protracted and fluid. Second, things shifted from stunningly positive to despairingly negative too fast. I suspect on that regard, Currie got tired of the leaks and decided to put out misinformation. Not to hide the fact that a deal was done, but just to relieve pressure and keep as many folks as possible out of the process. Third, as several folks have pointed out, the money is moving against the general sentiment. There's a reason that people don't beat the market investing. Those with information don't speak, they just move money. If there was real momentum that he was going to a pro franchise instead of UT, the odds would not have tumbled the way they did.

The visit to Knoxville, the house hunting and the messages from the fraternity angles have been overplayed. None provide any real evidence of Gruden's intentions. These to me are nothing but red herrings that make great internet rumor fodder. Would be different if the Grudens didn't already have so many ties to the area, but because they do, there are plenty of reasons for them to be in town and looking to buy a house and live there at least part of the time.

On the other hand, the money is not an issue and neither is MNF. These are things that can be worked out fairly easily if parties on both sides are motivated.

So all this typing to conclude this:
- Jones is gone and it appears this will become public sooner rather than later.
- Coach Fulmer will finish the year, at least the regular season
- Gruden is being recruited, but it's still in process. No decision points have been reached.
- The good feelings from the past two days reveal he was more receptive than some thought, but no more than that.
- The bad feelings today are either over-reaction to natural negotiations or a smokescreen to throw people off the story
- No deal is inked or dead with any candidate. I believe the earliest we'll hear about any full-time coach hire will be the week of Missouri or LSU. Gruden or otherwise.
- I hope like heck it's Gruden, but I believe JAV and others in that even if it's not, I don't think there is any chance we're pulling from the MAC or Sunbelt this time.
- I have wasted an inordinate amount of time on this mess and I'm going to bed.
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I agree with most if not all of these theories! One thing I hadn't thought of until I read your post. IS LSU or Southern Miss homecoming?

What better time to leak/release some POSITIVE news if you're a new AD.

Enjoyed the read. Thanks!
 
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vol9799 said:
I've read all of this garbage and I've gotten sucked in like everyone else. Here's my take.

I've made a decent living from being able to synthesize data, extract the relevant information and draw correct conclusions; but I've never seen anything like this.

I have no contacts, info, etc. I'm trying to form an opinion here and wading through all the manure to get there is a chore.

Theories:
Butch's fate was sealed weeks ago and an agreement has been reached on his resignation. Some effort to get the horse back in the barn after the info leaked out, but this one is done. Too many reliable folks indicating this.

Jon Gruden is a candidate, the candidate, for the job. Same as above. Too many reasonable people reporting this information. He is a candidate, not a unicorn.

Gruden's original answer prior to seeing any offer was, "no thanks." One respected writer on TOS explicitly said over a week ago Gruden would not be the next coach at UT. Over time it became apparent his sources came from the Gruden camp, not the UT camp.

Gruden's original answer reminds me of Saban's original answer when Bama was courting him. What else could Gruden say, especially since we still have a coach. But it wasn't a final answer, since he didn't have all the information.

Solid leaks aren't coming from within UT. It's been detailed how Currie works and how tightly he keeps the lid on searches. Staff have apparently been reminded that leaks can lead to "future endeavors." Widely reported that very few, perhaps less than 5 other people, are privy to the actual progress of the search. Given this, it precludes any of the leaks coming here or elsewhere from being related to people directly involved. So, they're either related but not directly involved parties at UT, friends and family of the Gruden's or folks full of crap. I suspect we're seeing all three in this thread.

Nothing will be finalized, announced, etc with any coach at this point. The idea that some folks have that a deal will be reached now and information will be dispersed is ridiculous. They've not even announced Jones' departure. No verifiable information will emanate from UT until after the resignation is announced.

The Gruden deal is not dead. There are too many problems with this theory. First, if Gruden is truly Currie's 1-10th choice, then being turned down once or twice would not deter Currie. Likewise, Gruden's agent isn't going to just go along with whatever first theoretical offer is tossed out. As folks have said this will be protracted and fluid. Second, things shifted from stunningly positive to despairingly negative too fast. I suspect on that regard, Currie got tired of the leaks and decided to put out misinformation. Not to hide the fact that a deal was done, but just to relieve pressure and keep as many folks as possible out of the process. Third, as several folks have pointed out, the money is moving against the general sentiment. There's a reason that people don't beat the market investing. Those with information don't speak, they just move money. If there was real momentum that he was going to a pro franchise instead of UT, the odds would not have tumbled the way they did.

The visit to Knoxville, the house hunting and the messages from the fraternity angles have been overplayed. None provide any real evidence of Gruden's intentions. These to me are nothing but red herrings that make great internet rumor fodder. Would be different if the Grudens didn't already have so many ties to the area, but because they do, there are plenty of reasons for them to be in town and looking to buy a house and live there at least part of the time.

On the other hand, the money is not an issue and neither is MNF. These are things that can be worked out fairly easily if parties on both sides are motivated.

So all this typing to conclude this:
- Jones is gone and it appears this will become public sooner rather than later.
- Coach Fulmer will finish the year, at least the regular season
- Gruden is being recruited, but it's still in process. No decision points have been reached.
- The good feelings from the past two days reveal he was more receptive than some thought, but no more than that.
- The bad feelings today are either over-reaction to natural negotiations or a smokescreen to throw people off the story
- No deal is inked or dead with any candidate. I believe the earliest we'll hear about any full-time coach hire will be the week of Missouri or LSU. Gruden or otherwise.
- I hope like heck it's Gruden, but I believe JAV and others in that even if it's not, I don't think there is any chance we're pulling from the MAC or Sunbelt this time.
- I have wasted an inordinate amount of time on this mess and I'm going to bed.
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I believe he's gonna coach again..
Wether it's here, or somewhere else is the real question.
I think the ESPN thing is what gonna make this different than 2012.
 
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Look, I know that everyone under the sun wants it to Gruden, myself included! I honestly think it'll be him. That being said, when we are hearing lower tier coaches being thrown around one comes to my mind that I'd be very pleased with.... Why is no one talking about Jim Tressel? He's an old man, but before all those allegations he was a heck of a football coach. UT needs an X&O type guy (preferably Gruden), but I would be pleased with Tressel. Hell, the guy is at Youngstown State. You know the man wants outta there!
 
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andywilson001 said:
Just heard a rumor that Butch will be offered an assistant coach position with the Cleveland Browns as part of his buyout deal.

Has that been mentioned here? I'm a little behind on today's posts.

*****I have no inside sources. This is just a random rumor I heard that sounded semi-legit.*****
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There is no way this is true UNLESS the browns have one of the barrel squads that are similar to what the clowns do in rodeos.
 
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Thall17 said:
Look, I know that everyone under the sun wants it to Gruden, myself included! I honestly think it'll be him. That being said, when we are hearing lower tier coaches being thrown around one comes to my mind that I'd be very pleased with.... Why is no one talking about Jim Tressel? He's an old man, but before all those allegations he was a heck of a football coach. UT needs an X&O type guy (preferably Gruden), but I would be pleased with Tressel. Hell, the guy is at Youngstown State. You know the man wants outta there!
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-He's 64.
-He's retired from coaching and is president of a University.
-He retired, not because he was forced but because of NCAA violations that got him a 5 year show cause and fired.

Not with a 39 foot pole would I touch Jim Tressel.
 
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tastycar said:
There is no way this is true UNLESS the browns have one of the barrel squads that are similar to what the clowns do in rodeos.
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That's the true definition of hell...

You walk thru the gates, and Satan is standing there with a set of keys, and goes "Welcome to Hell, you're now the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, here are the keys to the practice facility."
 
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Vols_14 said:
-He's 64.
-He's retired from coaching and is president of a University.
-He retired, not because he was forced but because of NCAA violations that got him a 5 year show cause and fired.

Not with a 39 foot pole would I touch Jim Tressel.
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So, you're keeping an open mind about him? :eek:lol:
 
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Off to the pit of misery for every 'monitor' that tries to come in to Grudenville and rain their views of negativity upon our picnic. Let folks believe what they want to believe.
 
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So to sum everythinge up. Gruden is not coming but then he is coming then he's not coming and then he's coming again. I swear this thread has multiple personalities
 
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