Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

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D you think lamonte was being truthful when he stated that Hart's call on Friday morning was the first time they heard from UT?

For the others, Carter is telling you why nothing "adds up." It is because all of the Gruden "interest" was overhyped and nowhere close to reality.

In my mind, yes that was the first OFFICIAL contact from UT.
 
Guys - we all want to know how everything went down with Gruden. But let's not rewrite history. There were 3 sides to this: AD, boosters, and Gruden. Credible and now public information is plenty for us know that a deal was close and fell through for reasons I'm not sure about. Gruden did not have potential staff, families, agents, and boosters all believing he would be the next HC because of some egomaniacal plot to sooth his ego. That strains reason to the point of credulity.

It was close. It didn't work out. It's not the first time something didn't work out. But the big boys didn't all of the sudden becomes whiny gossipy girls. Maybe some lower level boosters detached from the action did, but the key players. Something got in the way. I just don't know what.

That's the million dollar question!
 
Gruden. That's not happening though... so Mora if we can get him, or Fisher if he can get a good staff, because he is the best recruiter of the candidates, imo.

If not Gruden:

1. Stoops
2. Shaw
3. Peterson
4. Mora Jr.
5. Patterson
6. Gundy
7. Fire Hart!!!
 
Hart is being scapegoated in this article by overzealous boosters imo. They seem to be more worried about getting their way than doing what is best for the University based on that article, post, whatever it was.

Carter....

Please tell me how Strong is a better candidate than Gruden.
 
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Carter....

Please tell me how Strong is a better candidate than Gruden.

When did I say he was?

If both want to coach the Vols equally I take Gruden 100 out of 100 times. You cannot hire a coach that doesn't want the job however, that's a fact. I think Strong wants the job, and if he is hired, will have a long career at UT including championships.

Its not about a Strong vs Gruden. Gruden said no, he is gone. Not a candidate, not fair to compare coaches we can hire to those we cannot.
 
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If not Gruden:

1. Stoops
2. Shaw
3. Peterson
4. Mora Jr.
5. Patterson
6. Gundy
7. Fire Hart!!!

Doubt Stoops and Shaw leave... Petersen and Patterson are good coaches, but don't know if they can really recruit, or if Petersen would leave. Mora is a good coach, and can recruit, Gundy is getting beat up right now.
So my realistic list is:

1. Mora Jr.
2. Patterson(Texas ties, good D coach)
3. Fisher(great recruiter, Florida ties, but only good if he brings a good staff)
 
If not Gruden:

1. Stoops
2. Shaw
3. Peterson
4. Mora Jr.
5. Patterson
6. Gundy
7. Fire Hart!!!

Better list than any I've seen so far in that I'd be ok with any of these guys, I'm in the tank for Shaw but he's not going to come, bummer.

Sounds like we've settled on Strong, Jimbo etc. Why not expand?
 
Carter....

Please tell me how Strong is a better candidate than Gruden.

What would have been best for the university would have been for them to "know their role" and not try to play AD. Their opinion is valued, as are their $$$$, but they in no way run things.
 
I can't pot link's but the sec rumor mill just said ut has reached out to dabo swinney in the past hour meant post links on this tablet
 
Whoever we end up with as our next HC will be a direct reflection on what kind of AD Hart is going to be. The wrong hire and he may as well pack his bags and get the hell out of town imo.
 
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I do not believe that for one minute.

I'll just add this,if it was us doing the persuing and gruden said no 2 weeks ago it was still a terrible inexcusable PR move for Hart and tenn to not put the rumor to rest period. Do they not realize how passionate our fans are. I'm beggining to wonder where is the passion from the university to hire a proven winner and make a good contract for both without us getting screwed over but we have to be willing to put our money were the mouth is too. Too many resources and commitment for us to look like the keystone cops. Hart and company the fans are waiting and WATCHING I hope you appreciate us like we appreciate and love our VOLS!!
 
If not Gruden:

1. Stoops
2. Shaw
3. Peterson
4. Mora Jr.
5. Patterson
6. Gundy
7. Fire Hart!!!

Love the list, here's how I would switch it up:

1. Stoops
2. Fire Hart!!!
3. Shaw (Coaching at Alma Mater)
4. Peterson (best of luck)
5. Patterson (Hamilton told him no last time for being too "Fulmer-like," I just don't think he'll leave TCU now)
6. Gundy (See: Shaw, David)
7. Mora Jr. (won't happen though, no way would Hart send the message that pulling a Kiffin is a legitimate coaching move, especially in front of all the TN fanbase)
 
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