Official Jon Gruden Thread IV

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VolMaster14 said:
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'Boro-vol said:
Gruden is not taking over until after the season....don't know where everyone is getting that. Dooley or an interim will finish the year.
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I still very much doubt Gruden is our guy, but I'm glad you clarified this point for me at least as to what people believe here. I was thinking people honestly believed Gruden might show up on Saturday and coach us against Troy. That was part of what made this whole thing sound so completely absurd to me.

The other part that continues to cause this to sound absurd and is the reason I doubt this whole Gruden bit, is that despite what the negateers say, our team is definitely talented enough to win out the rest of this season and to capture a bowl win. And Dooley is a good enough coach to help them do that - he did it in 2010 with less talent against an equally mediocre schedule (and many will agree he was robbed in the bowl game against UNC). Georgia is the only team that has put up 50 points on our awful defense and that is what it will take for any of the remaining 4 teams to beat us. Becuase i have every expectation our team will be putting up 50+ on each of them.

So - if Dooley wins out and finishes 8-5, it just seems strange to fire him. In the context of an 8 win season and a season in which we were either in or won every SEC game (save Bama), that just doesn't seem reasonable.

Layer on top of that the fact that Gruden to Tennessee in general still sounds fishy to me, and this all doesn't add up.

But we'll see. Maybe one or two of these November teams picks us off and I get proven comletely wrong.
 
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vol2002 said:
I still very much doubt Gruden is our guy, but I'm glad you clarified this point for me at least as to what people believe here. I was thinking people honestly believed Gruden might show up on Saturday and coach us against Troy. That was part of what made this whole thing sound so completely absurd to me.

The other part that continues to cause this to sound absurd and is the reason I doubt this whole Gruden bit, is that despite what the negateers say, our team is definitely talented enough to win out the rest of this season and to capture a bowl win. And Dooley is a good enough coach to help them do that - he did it in 2010 with less talent against an equally mediocre schedule (and many will agree he was robbed in the bowl game against UNC). Georgia is the only team that has put up 50 points on our awful defense and that is what it will take for any of the remaining 4 teams to beat us. Becuase i have every expectation our team will be putting up 50+ on each of them.

So - if Dooley wins out and finishes 8-5, it just seems strange to fire him. In the context of an 8 win season and a season in which we were either in or won every SEC game (save Bama), that just doesn't seem reasonable.

Layer on top of that the fact that Gruden to Tennessee in general still sounds fishy to me, and this all doesn't add up.

But we'll see. Maybe one or two of these November teams picks us off and I get proven comletely wrong.
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Dooley is not going to be the coach next year. Period. Beating Troy, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizzou proves nothing of his coaching abilities (if he is even able to pull all those out).
 
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vol2002 said:
I still very much doubt Gruden is our guy, but I'm glad you clarified this point for me at least as to what people believe here. I was thinking people honestly believed Gruden might show up on Saturday and coach us against Troy. That was part of what made this whole thing sound so completely absurd to me.

The other part that continues to cause this to sound absurd and is the reason I doubt this whole Gruden bit, is that despite what the negateers say, our team is definitely talented enough to win out the rest of this season and to capture a bowl win. And Dooley is a good enough coach to help them do that - he did it in 2010 with less talent against an equally mediocre schedule (and many will agree he was robbed in the bowl game against UNC). Georgia is the only team that has put up 50 points on our awful defense and that is what it will take for any of the remaining 4 teams to beat us. Becuase i have every expectation our team will be putting up 50+ on each of them.

So - if Dooley wins out and finishes 8-5, it just seems strange to fire him. In the context of an 8 win season and a season in which we were either in or won every SEC game (save Bama), that just doesn't seem reasonable.

Layer on top of that the fact that Gruden to Tennessee in general still sounds fishy to me, and this all doesn't add up.

But we'll see. Maybe one or two of these November teams picks us off and I get proven comletely wrong.
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Lets say he does win 7 or 8 games. Lets try and remember that its not THAT he won 7 or 8 games but what games he lost. Also remember that we this is the third straight year we have started 0-5 in SEC play. The only other team to do that in Vandy. You can't do that at Tennessee and keep your job.
 
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This fanbase is seriously schizophrenic at this point.

Just because there is no news to be had every 17 minutes does not mean the process is not moving forward. There are a lot of moving parts to this thing, and as bad as we all want it to happen, nobody in the AD or in Grudens camp is working on on our schedule.

Dooley is gone and knows it. His public dismissal will come at a time that is most adventageous for the parties involved. Gruden has agreed in principle, and will sign when there publicly is a job

None of that has changed in the last two weeks when I and a couple of others compared our info from several different sources and found that it lined up.

These things take time and the fact that we found out early makes it seem even worse. We've said from the beginning to be patient.
 
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#GrudenIsGARBAGE



Hi, guys. I'm back to remind you of the gigantic amount of FAIL you all seem to want as the next HC at UT.
 
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If Gruden has agreed in principle what is the downside to pulling the trigger the moment the details are ironed out?

Dooley must know hes a dead man walking and we dont need recruiting to suffer.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Dooley is not going to be the coach next year. Period. Beating Troy, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizzou proves nothing of his coaching abilities (if he is even able to pull all those out).
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I personally think playing Vanderbilt @ Vanderbilt could be a loss. Especially if Dooley is still the coach at that point with still no announcement of his firing.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
This fanbase is seriously schizophrenic at this point.

Just because there is no news to be had every 17 minutes does not mean the process is not moving forward. There are a lot of moving parts to this thing, and as bad as we all want it to happen, nobody in the AD or in Grudens camp is working on on our schedule.

Dooley is gone and knows it. His public dismissal will come at a time that is most adventageous for the parties involved. Gruden has agreed in principle, and will sign when there publicly is a job

None of that has changed in the last two weeks when I and a couple of others compared our info from several different sources and found that it lined up.

These things take time and the fact that we found out early makes it seem even worse. We've said from the beginning to be patient.
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For the record..I believe that your version makes more sense than anybody elses...OCI rolling in here with a list of assistants was ridiculous...Not sure OCI knows anything since there are no stories for him to copy and paste..just my opinion
 
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Specs said:
If Gruden has agreed in principle what is the downside to pulling the trigger the moment the details are ironed out?

Dooley must know hes a dead man walking and we dont need recruiting to suffer.
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Buyout negotiation. It's really that simple. They are letting Dooley swing. He's under contract and cannot contact other opportunities without breeching his contract. This is about leverage.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Buyout negotiation. It's really that simple. They are letting Dooley swing. He's under contract and cannot contact other opportunities without breeching his contract. This is about leverage.
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Since the words of the day last week were "money is no problem", why is the buyout negotiation such a big deal now? Just pay the guy and move on.
 
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VFL44 said:
You need to get your brain examined.
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Why?? Because I know Gru-bage's past history, have PROVEN Gru-bage's past history, yet YOU and others STILL can't see past the shiny SERPER BERHL RIIIIIIING ERMAGHERD?? I don't want Gru-bage as the HC of the Vols, so that he can turn us into Tampa 2.0, except this time he doesn't have Monte Kiffin to fall back on......so games WILL be lost, and lost BADLY.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Since the words of the day last week were "money is no problem", why is the buyout negotiation such a big deal now? Just pay the guy and move on.
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It still is no problem.....but why pay the full amount if you don't have to?

This may come as a shock to most but there may be details of Dooleys employment that the AD has and we know nothing about.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Why?? Because I know Gru-bage's past history, have PROVEN Gru-bage's past history, yet YOU and others STILL can't see past the shiny SERPER BERHL RIIIIIIING ERMAGHERD?? I don't want Gru-bage as the HC of the Vols, so that he can turn us into Tampa 2.0, except this time he doesn't have Monte Kiffin to fall back on......so games WILL be lost, and lost BADLY.
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Barbara go back to knitting and get out of this thread...Your son is the worst coach in the country..
 
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People are freaking out because something isn't being announced RIGHT NOW. Again I have no inside information, but it seems to me that this is a very delicate situation. We are talking about MILLIONS of dollars and several moving parts. People are having to make decisions that will have repercussions that will affect many people(and their careers) and cause ripples that may be felt for years. This isn't like going to Wal Mart and buying a new TV. When careers and MILLIONS are at stake, rash decisions aren't made lightly. Again, just my take, no real information from anyone.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Why?? Because I know Gru-bage's past history, have PROVEN Gru-bage's past history, yet YOU and others STILL can't see past the shiny SERPER BERHL RIIIIIIING ERMAGHERD?? I don't want Gru-bage as the HC of the Vols, so that he can turn us into Tampa 2.0, except this time he doesn't have Monte Kiffin to fall back on......so games WILL be lost, and lost BADLY.
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Because Tampa was such a beacon of hope before Gruden, right?
 
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DeusExMachina said:
Why?? Because I know Gru-bage's past history, have PROVEN Gru-bage's past history, yet YOU and others STILL can't see past the shiny SERPER BERHL RIIIIIIING ERMAGHERD?? I don't want Gru-bage as the HC of the Vols, so that he can turn us into Tampa 2.0, except this time he doesn't have Monte Kiffin to fall back on......so games WILL be lost, and lost BADLY.
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Even if he had Monte to fall back on, he'd give up 39 to Arizona.

Sorry, but I'll take Gruden over you. Easy decision.
 
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voldawgforever said:
Not sarcasm. The statements you make about what Gruden wants leads me to believe you spend a lot of time with him, or you are very close to him in some capacity. Is this not correct?
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This is absolutely incorrect. I know what some people close to the situation have told me. He seems to have a desire to coach at the college level, and is said to have personal reasons for wanting it to be here.
 
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