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To me, the rationale that withholding the announcement is out of respect for the players and current coaches is misguided. There is nothing on anyone's mind other than the future coach. Who is talking about the seniors or the LSU game? Much more focus would fall on the LSU game, players, and current coaches if this cloud of the great unknown wasn't hanging over the entire program.
 
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Mav145 said:
Of course he can. Lots of people can. Factually, though, he is only a slightly better version of Butch Jones based on his record

I agree, however Butch inherited Brian Kelly recruits twice. Granted he built his own thing here and underperformed. Mullen went into a historically awful program and made his way to a number one ranking at a school that hd only made it to a bowl 13 times in their history.

Go vols, with whatever coach we land, fingers crossed for Gruden though
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knucklehead_vol said:
I will. There are posters on here who have not changed a stance. The only one I can think of is DTO because of where he gets his info. We said Gruden before anyone in the media said anything and were ridiculed. But what is happening now? He is #1 and has yet to deny anything. I am keeping my stance as I know what I know and until they tell me otherwise then I am 100%.
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Yes. Yes. Yes. All of this. My man.

Except I still have that 1% Act of God contingency. :)
 
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preacherwebb said:
part of me says, "oh well, it's over."

part of me, strangely, say, "beave said currie would come out looking like a hero."

gruden "saying no" and then currie introducing him at the presser would certainly 1) buy time and 2) make currie look like the here.

i dunno what to think.

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Beav just wanted to maintain a sense of credibility until we hire someone not named Gruden then he can disappear and say he had some fun for a month.
 
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BJWeeks said:
how do you feel about JAV comment? what are you hearing this morning?
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A few things.

JAV's comment is concerning, no doubt. He's been solid for years, though I don't know what his line of connection is. It would be unwise to see those as completely irrelevant.

From day 1, what I have heard, and said on this board, is that it's all about timing. In Currie's mind, he had a plan for how the remainder of the season was going to play out. He began working on this plan after the UGA game. The original plan was to let the season play out, and remove Butch and hire Gruden in short order. That plan got thrown off by how abysmal this season became. Remember, after the UGA game this team was still 3-2, so a bowl game was an expectation that many had. The worse the season got, the more the timeline got shaky. After the South Carolina and Kentucky losses, pressure became very intense to do something. At that point, Currie's plan was to remove Butch after the 7th loss. Giving up 50 at Mizzou was the final straw.

But Gruden also has a timeline. And it's not just about MNF and ESPN. There are other factors, like his coaching staff. He doesn't want to be announced as coach and then have to figure out his staff. It's about having the right guys, but it's also about having them from day 1 so they can hit the ground running with as much momentum as possible. So now, Currie is left in a tricky situation. Something has to give. Optimism and positive leaks reached a frenzy on Tuesday night and Wednesday. Thursday morning, it reached a fever pitch when Gruden goes on about Rocky Top on the radio. So what does Currie do in that situation? IF you knew you couldn't announce it yet, you have to begin to push a negative narrative.

Remember from his press conference, Currie said not to believe anything unless they heard it DIRECTLY from him. He said this because he knew he was going to have to buy some time, and that he was potentially going to have to push a negative agenda to calm the masses. But this way, he has deniability because we never heard it from his mouth.

At this point, you're left with 2 choices. Do you believe the sources saying the deal is dead? Or do you believe it's about timing? Do you believe Gruden trolled us with the Rocky Top line? Or do you believe he meant that genuinely?
 
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luthervol said:
To me, the rationale that withholding the announcement is out of respect for the players and current coaches is misguided. There is nothing on anyone's mind other than the future coach. Who is talking about the seniors or the LSU game? Much more focus would fall on the LSU game, players, and current coaches if this cloud of the great unknown wasn't hanging over the entire program.
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+1
 
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landscapingvol said:
Here is what may likely have happened imho: the boosters, AD, and VFL's circled the wagons came up with an offer that they felt like could not possibly be turned down by a coach who had interest whatsoever in being a head coach hence the quiet confidence by many. They probably did in fact meet and he probably did express some initial interest but that interest may have not been sincere. He ultimately turned down a very lucrative offer at the surprise of many but I think what you are really seeing are those individuals who were around in 08' and 12' that simply believed that this was always about Jon and his ego. That he truly never had any interest in being the head coach at UT. The information about the meetings and salary was probably leaked by VFL's and friends of boosters not anyone close to Currie, or Gruden himself that is why it was contradictory.
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If this does in fact become true, And Gruden is just feeding his ego, I hope Gruden never shows his face on the UT campus again because the damage that is being done may set our program back farther than Dooley and Jones. Bottom line, Gruden and the powers that be need to make a decision quickly because everyone has their hopes up based on " Grumours" and the longer it drags on the more disappointed fans are going to be with whomever the next coach is. Enough is enough!
 
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Stoked said:
Guys we literally saw flames on Wednesday night. People were booming and already celebrating. There was no more smoke it had turned to fire. Let's take a step back and get a timeline together. My memory may be a little fuzzy but to the best of my knowledge this is what happened...

Tuesday night

AtlantaVol broke his couple weeks of silence. His last thing he said to the best of my memory was about the BOT meeting. Went completely silent after that, came back gave out tickets, then said that tomorrow (Wednesday) was a pivotal moment in the hunt of red October. Someone else said something along the lines of... "Everyone temper their expectations we may never know what will have happened tomorrow (which was Wednesday they were referring too) AtlantaVol agreed with this person, and then to the best of my knowledge (I haven't read every single post of all of these threads that would be nearly impossible) that was the last thing he said.

Wednesday

Around lunch time OrangePill came here and said that he had lunch with a BOT member. He mentioned that there would be a meeting in Tampa (again to the best of my knowledge this is the first time we heard about this meeting.) This expanded on what AtlantaVol said and made a little more sense of what he said the previous night. Also around this time I believe Beaver changed his pic to a thread and needle.

Fast forward to Wednesday evening.

Hargis went on PF's show and rocked bottom him and had PF shooked. Jauan Jennings announces that he's coming back for 2018 (could be completely unrelated?) ... a couple of former players start tweeting. Maggitt says it's Gruden "season".

Beaver changes his profile pic (On Twitter) to a tux. Bubba comes on here and says see ya guys in 10 years for the next coaching search. OrangePill tells us he heard it's a done deal. Tuesday started celebrating (I'm not sure if he heard something from Tee or what?) ...after all of that this board went absolutely nuts for a few hours until BCarter came in and threw water on the fire and said that be cautious to some insiders.

Are we now saying that Bubba, Tuesday, OrangePill, etc. we're wrong on Wednesday night?
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They're all trolling or are being trolled themselves. This is what happened 5 years ago. I would not even doubt some big booster put out these false flags to get the focus away from what is really happening. Trolls get trolled.
 
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