Official Jon Gruden Thread 33

[VFL1010]

Holy hell who wrote the novel up there

 

[tbones0711]

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Big money boosters in Nebraska see the writing on the wall. 2 Big SEC teams are courting their man, Frost. Riley is out as coach at seasons end.

 

[UT PaulVol]

How reliable is babyvol?

Extremely

 

[VOLNPA]

Gruden also won two conference titles at Oakland.

Conference?

 

[JVol76]

Gruden doesn’t have College Level Experience and that’s true.

However, he knows the game of football and is an X’s & O’s, old school type coach.

His name alone would attract high quality recruits. I mean the dude is literally on TV every week, not to mention all the advertisements that he endorses.

He has his own Gruden QB camp so there’s no question he can develop young QBs at the college level.

Sure, there’s always risks with coaches but Gruden has all the tools to win big here at Tennessee. If he wants in, you bring him in!

SOON!

Actually there are all kinds of questions on whether he can develop talent. Yes there are risks with any coach but there is less with one who has proven success at the college level. Gruden isn't my choice, not even top 10, but if he's hired I'm behind him 100% and I hope he kills it, I just have serious doubts.

 

[o3marine52]

OMG another thread on why we think Gruden will succeed

OMG another valley girl saying OMG😲

 

[OSVolFan]

My apologies to everyone looking for Gruden news. This isn’t the post you’re looking for. Just skip to the next post. This is my working theory on how and why Gruden to the Hill is coming about. It’s going to be very long post.

For those with a little curiosity, here’s the bottom line up front (BLUF as my Army brethren call it). There is a booster or group of boosters attempting to secure the fruits of UT becoming a Top 25 research school. They’re working to ensure a continued stream of funding from Athletics to Academics by making a splash hire as the head coach and returning UT football to national prominence. You can now skip to the end if you aren’t interested in the gory details.

For those still reading here’s my take on the whole situation. Strictly my own opinion based on what I’ve read and my experience. Let’s start with the booster/Investor group because I think that once you understand what they’re trying to achieve, the roles of the rest of the players and the actions fall into place.

The booster group is leveraging the University’s drive towards becoming a top 25 public research school (top25.utk.edu). While the University has many good and valid reasons for this, the boosters see this as an opportunity to cash in on an increasing amount and quality of research coming from the University. Bubba on several occasions involvement of a (Silicon Valley) venture capital firm (not Castor Ventures). (1)(2) MIT_Beaver outs the reason. Early stage VC firms are interested in the intellectual property rights coming out of the research. (3) The boosters, in conjunction with the VC firm(s?), see this as an opportune time to develop a (binding?) relationship with an up and coming research University that funnels the valuable research results into their portfolios. I haven’t had the time to fully investigate all the players, but MIT_Beaver implies that Charlie Ergen is involved. (4)

Charlie Ergen’s possible involvement I think relates to Dish’s upcoming moves into the wireless connectivity area. Dish owns and continues to buy valuable wireless (cellular) spectrum. The first portion of which requires Dish to build out a wireless network by 2020 supporting narrowband internet of things (NB-IOT). (5) NB-IOT is one part of the proposed 5G specification. A large part of how NB-IOT is implemented is yet to be determined and will require a great deal of research (hint, hint). Dish, not being constrained by a legacy, voice-oriented network, has a tremendous chance to develop a different core network than the legacy carriers. Ergen called it “a blank sheet of paper”.

It sounds like the how this is being accomplished is through a combination of a venture capital firm advised by a MBB type management consulting firm. Together they’ve developed a plan, of which Gruden is a part, to assist the University in reaching its goal while, presumably, the VC firm gets in on the reaping of benefits. Here’s how the other major players are involved, in my opinion.

The football program is viewed as a key revenue source for the University. The Athletic Department already provides quite a bit of funding back to the Academic Department and people have noticed how the success of the Alabama football team has fueled an academic renaissance of the University of Alabama. How do you duplicate that success at Tennessee? By making a big-time splash hire as the new head football coach and give him the resources (monetary and otherwise) to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States. This leads logically to Jon Gruden due to his connection to and past history with UT. No other coach excites the fan base and makes a national splash like him. You secure his services by making him an offer he can’t refuse (especially in light of ESPN’s well documented financial issues). Bubba says the base is $7.5M (6) but that is the least interesting part of the deal (7) and won’t all be in USD (8). Possibly a stake in the venture capital fund investing in the UT research?

The Athletic Director doesn’t really have much of a role in this. He was given the coach as part of the package deal and does not have a BANTA, although it appears he did do his due diligence and checked. The only real option he had was the timing. It appears that, while the decision to not retain Butch was made early in the season, the plan was to allow him to coach out the rest of the season and resign with a renegotiated buyout. However the performance (or lack thereof) of the team on the field and the Kendrick situation made that position untenable and Butch was let go early. At this point Currie has a replacement and is waiting a suitable amount of time to announce him. This may be due to commitments by Gruden, pressure from certain boosters, a desire to see Butch hired elsewhere, or a combination of some or all of these plus other unknown conditions.

Peyton Manning was brought in to help seal the deal on Gruden as the new head coach and to provide an incentive to accept the deal on the part of the Academic Department in the form of potential fundraising. I think Peyton’s involvement was actually predicated on the football team having a reasonably successful year and needing to provide rationale and support for changing the coach. Events have shown that part was unnecessary.

The Academic Department gets increased funding and other resources to help them with their goal of becoming a top 25 public research school. They also get a built in outlet for the results of the research in the form of a relationship with the VC firm. In exchange, they’ve agreed to give up some of the control they had over the Athletic Department. This helps the Athletic Department become more competitive and increases the revenue stream from Athletics.
The Haslams are probably the only losers in this whole scenario. Their influence on the University is being minimized. This is probably to ensure there is no interference, intentional or otherwise, with all the other arrangements. I’m not into the politics of the situation but it wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t personal reasons behind it as well if some of the speculation about past power struggles is true.

MIT_Beaver basically laid out his role for us as an influencer. His job was to help develop the strategy (it’s unclear on whether in whole or in part) and serve as the public influencer. He’s using VN and the Vol fan base to increase public pressure on the University to ensure that all aspects of the deal are approved.
Bubba appears to be part of the venture capital team arranging things. His posts indicate knowledge of the details and indicates his own involvement (9).

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(2) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXI
(3) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV
(4) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI
(5) Dish: We already have RAN vendors for our NB-IoT network | FierceWireless
(6) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(7) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(8) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(9) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX

Holy long post.....Batman.

 

[Sam I Am]

My apologies to everyone looking for Gruden news. This isn’t the post you’re looking for. Just skip to the next post. This is my working theory on how and why Gruden to the Hill is coming about. It’s going to be very long post.

For those with a little curiosity, here’s the bottom line up front (BLUF as my Army brethren call it). There is a booster or group of boosters attempting to secure the fruits of UT becoming a Top 25 research school. They’re working to ensure a continued stream of funding from Athletics to Academics by making a splash hire as the head coach and returning UT football to national prominence. You can now skip to the end if you aren’t interested in the gory details.

For those still reading here’s my take on the whole situation. Strictly my own opinion based on what I’ve read and my experience. Let’s start with the booster/Investor group because I think that once you understand what they’re trying to achieve, the roles of the rest of the players and the actions fall into place.

The booster group is leveraging the University’s drive towards becoming a top 25 public research school (top25.utk.edu). While the University has many good and valid reasons for this, the boosters see this as an opportunity to cash in on an increasing amount and quality of research coming from the University. Bubba on several occasions involvement of a (Silicon Valley) venture capital firm (not Castor Ventures). (1)(2) MIT_Beaver outs the reason. Early stage VC firms are interested in the intellectual property rights coming out of the research. (3) The boosters, in conjunction with the VC firm(s?), see this as an opportune time to develop a (binding?) relationship with an up and coming research University that funnels the valuable research results into their portfolios. I haven’t had the time to fully investigate all the players, but MIT_Beaver implies that Charlie Ergen is involved. (4)

Charlie Ergen’s possible involvement I think relates to Dish’s upcoming moves into the wireless connectivity area. Dish owns and continues to buy valuable wireless (cellular) spectrum. The first portion of which requires Dish to build out a wireless network by 2020 supporting narrowband internet of things (NB-IOT). (5) NB-IOT is one part of the proposed 5G specification. A large part of how NB-IOT is implemented is yet to be determined and will require a great deal of research (hint, hint). Dish, not being constrained by a legacy, voice-oriented network, has a tremendous chance to develop a different core network than the legacy carriers. Ergen called it “a blank sheet of paper”.

It sounds like the how this is being accomplished is through a combination of a venture capital firm advised by a MBB type management consulting firm. Together they’ve developed a plan, of which Gruden is a part, to assist the University in reaching its goal while, presumably, the VC firm gets in on the reaping of benefits. Here’s how the other major players are involved, in my opinion.

The football program is viewed as a key revenue source for the University. The Athletic Department already provides quite a bit of funding back to the Academic Department and people have noticed how the success of the Alabama football team has fueled an academic renaissance of the University of Alabama. How do you duplicate that success at Tennessee? By making a big-time splash hire as the new head football coach and give him the resources (monetary and otherwise) to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States. This leads logically to Jon Gruden due to his connection to and past history with UT. No other coach excites the fan base and makes a national splash like him. You secure his services by making him an offer he can’t refuse (especially in light of ESPN’s well documented financial issues). Bubba says the base is $7.5M (6) but that is the least interesting part of the deal (7) and won’t all be in USD (8). Possibly a stake in the venture capital fund investing in the UT research?

The Athletic Director doesn’t really have much of a role in this. He was given the coach as part of the package deal and does not have a BANTA, although it appears he did do his due diligence and checked. The only real option he had was the timing. It appears that, while the decision to not retain Butch was made early in the season, the plan was to allow him to coach out the rest of the season and resign with a renegotiated buyout. However the performance (or lack thereof) of the team on the field and the Kendrick situation made that position untenable and Butch was let go early. At this point Currie has a replacement and is waiting a suitable amount of time to announce him. This may be due to commitments by Gruden, pressure from certain boosters, a desire to see Butch hired elsewhere, or a combination of some or all of these plus other unknown conditions.

Peyton Manning was brought in to help seal the deal on Gruden as the new head coach and to provide an incentive to accept the deal on the part of the Academic Department in the form of potential fundraising. I think Peyton’s involvement was actually predicated on the football team having a reasonably successful year and needing to provide rationale and support for changing the coach. Events have shown that part was unnecessary.

The Academic Department gets increased funding and other resources to help them with their goal of becoming a top 25 public research school. They also get a built in outlet for the results of the research in the form of a relationship with the VC firm. In exchange, they’ve agreed to give up some of the control they had over the Athletic Department. This helps the Athletic Department become more competitive and increases the revenue stream from Athletics.
The Haslams are probably the only losers in this whole scenario. Their influence on the University is being minimized. This is probably to ensure there is no interference, intentional or otherwise, with all the other arrangements. I’m not into the politics of the situation but it wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t personal reasons behind it as well if some of the speculation about past power struggles is true.

MIT_Beaver basically laid out his role for us as an influencer. His job was to help develop the strategy (it’s unclear on whether in whole or in part) and serve as the public influencer. He’s using VN and the Vol fan base to increase public pressure on the University to ensure that all aspects of the deal are approved.
Bubba appears to be part of the venture capital team arranging things. His posts indicate knowledge of the details and indicates his own involvement (9).

(1) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(2) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXI
(3) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV
(4) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI
(5) Dish: We already have RAN vendors for our NB-IoT network | FierceWireless
(6) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(7) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(8) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(9) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX

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[volinjackson]

From babyvol...

Originally Posted by :
Thursday might be a great day

Boom? I need to Boom so bad...I have a lot of backed up boom.

 

[XVol64]

1

I fell asleep reading it...

 

[Orange&White]

I found my answer, they painted it that way. Damn I thought I was Sherlock Holmes and solved this riddle.

 

[jakez4ut]

So, if UF gets Kelly, does it have any impact for our vigilance for Gruden? I'd say no, but SEC E all the sudden has some name brand recognition. UT/UF rivalry would for sure have more energy again (aside from obvious need for W's for both downtrodden programs)

i think you have to be aware of what is happening at FL for obvious reasons.

but you can't get in to a "keeping up with the joneses" race with them just for the sake of doing so.

at the end of the day, you have a plan, you go try to execute it and get the best result you can for the betterment of your program.

so if FL gets Kelly, it really changes nothing for us, except Kelly's off the board.

you can't overreact and do something that's out of character from what your original intention was.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

ac, escape goat was fun. You too. The old gruden thread almost caused me to jump off the batman building after butch's introduction so i have intentionally stayed away from here best i can this time around!

That said, good to see you this time around and let's hope we see goat soon. You're right, the gruden thread isn't the same without him

gtfo

 

[jakez4ut]

So does Barry Switzer.

lol, i forgot about him....says every NFL fan ever.

"that was JJ's team, and everybody knows it"

lol

 

[LAVol1]

I found my answer, they painted it that way. Damn I thought I was Sherlock Holmes and solved this riddle.

Hate to brag, but a lot of people call me "Sherlock". I don't know how many times I've had people tell me..."No S**t Sherlock!"

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

He did win with Dungys players. But thats OK. He built the Raiders. It's a wash IMO.

2 reasons I'd be interested...

1-Recruits. He's the new Madden. His name transcends the actual game. The kids will flock.

2-And even more importantly...I believe he's too smart not to come in with a ridiculous staff. If Currie is willing to spend on Gruden, he better to be ready to buy some assistants too.

I think your last sentence is the most important thing. What kind of assitants will Gruden want? It is not feasible to stock Tennessee full of NFL assitants. So who would he want? I do believe he could get a few NFL guys. But since he has never coached in college, how will he deal with getting the right staff together? Thats my biggest convern with Gruden. And frankly, its a big one.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Where is babyvol posting? The negavols ran him off from 247 after the last Gruden debacle, and everything he said was true.

VQ

 

[VolAlum24]

Long post about research and boosters, saving the servers

I don't really think the Top 25 research is involved. UT is a MASSIVE school and the academic side operates on its own. They even loaned the Athletic Dept some money a few years ago.

Cheek seemed to spearhead the research side, I believe he took that from his time at Florida. That was his goal.

Haslams have invested about $150M in the academic side (hence all the buildings renamed) in the last 5 years, they have gained plenty from UT on that side.

 

[Smokeyshowl66]

Boom? I need to Boom so bad...I have a lot of backed up boom.

So babyvol’s post was like a boom enema for ya?

 

[TenUhSee]

Yes, I am familiar with political useages as well. This was just in the context of concep's post earlier.

wasn't trying to school you....i was just commenting

 

[JVol76]

So does Barry Switzer.

So does Bill.Walsh

 

[Orangeblood98']

So babyvol is a well respected poster?

 

[knucklehead_vol]

Too much blood in my alcohol.

Lemmy!

 

[volcop1]

Gruden is an offensive guru. He has broke down plays with guys like Manning, Brady and Rodgers. All of them respect his knowledge. The guy studies film like crazy. He has said he still draws up plays. Listen to him talk, his football IQ is up there with the best of them. He has NFL experience. He has ties to Tennessee. He graduated from Tennessee. His wife was a cheerleader at UT. His son goes to Tennessee. Gruden seems to love Tennessee.

Gruden attended Muskingum College in New Concord, Ohio. After one year, he transferred to the University of Dayton, where he was a three-year letterman and backup quarterback for the Flyers [7] under coach Mike Kelly. Gruden never saw much playing time, but the Flyers posted a 24–7 record during his three seasons at the University of Dayton.[8] He graduated with a degree in communications in 1985 while living on campus at 3 evanston.

 

[OldTimer]

My apologies to everyone looking for Gruden news. This isn’t the post you’re looking for. Just skip to the next post. This is my working theory on how and why Gruden to the Hill is coming about. It’s going to be very long post.

For those with a little curiosity, here’s the bottom line up front (BLUF as my Army brethren call it). There is a booster or group of boosters attempting to secure the fruits of UT becoming a Top 25 research school. They’re working to ensure a continued stream of funding from Athletics to Academics by making a splash hire as the head coach and returning UT football to national prominence. You can now skip to the end if you aren’t interested in the gory details.

For those still reading here’s my take on the whole situation. Strictly my own opinion based on what I’ve read and my experience. Let’s start with the booster/Investor group because I think that once you understand what they’re trying to achieve, the roles of the rest of the players and the actions fall into place.

The booster group is leveraging the University’s drive towards becoming a top 25 public research school (top25.utk.edu). While the University has many good and valid reasons for this, the boosters see this as an opportunity to cash in on an increasing amount and quality of research coming from the University. Bubba on several occasions involvement of a (Silicon Valley) venture capital firm (not Castor Ventures). (1)(2) MIT_Beaver outs the reason. Early stage VC firms are interested in the intellectual property rights coming out of the research. (3) The boosters, in conjunction with the VC firm(s?), see this as an opportune time to develop a (binding?) relationship with an up and coming research University that funnels the valuable research results into their portfolios. I haven’t had the time to fully investigate all the players, but MIT_Beaver implies that Charlie Ergen is involved. (4)

Charlie Ergen’s possible involvement I think relates to Dish’s upcoming moves into the wireless connectivity area. Dish owns and continues to buy valuable wireless (cellular) spectrum. The first portion of which requires Dish to build out a wireless network by 2020 supporting narrowband internet of things (NB-IOT). (5) NB-IOT is one part of the proposed 5G specification. A large part of how NB-IOT is implemented is yet to be determined and will require a great deal of research (hint, hint). Dish, not being constrained by a legacy, voice-oriented network, has a tremendous chance to develop a different core network than the legacy carriers. Ergen called it “a blank sheet of paper”.

It sounds like the how this is being accomplished is through a combination of a venture capital firm advised by a MBB type management consulting firm. Together they’ve developed a plan, of which Gruden is a part, to assist the University in reaching its goal while, presumably, the VC firm gets in on the reaping of benefits. Here’s how the other major players are involved, in my opinion.

The football program is viewed as a key revenue source for the University. The Athletic Department already provides quite a bit of funding back to the Academic Department and people have noticed how the success of the Alabama football team has fueled an academic renaissance of the University of Alabama. How do you duplicate that success at Tennessee? By making a big-time splash hire as the new head football coach and give him the resources (monetary and otherwise) to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States. This leads logically to Jon Gruden due to his connection to and past history with UT. No other coach excites the fan base and makes a national splash like him. You secure his services by making him an offer he can’t refuse (especially in light of ESPN’s well documented financial issues). Bubba says the base is $7.5M (6) but that is the least interesting part of the deal (7) and won’t all be in USD (8). Possibly a stake in the venture capital fund investing in the UT research?

The Athletic Director doesn’t really have much of a role in this. He was given the coach as part of the package deal and does not have a BANTA, although it appears he did do his due diligence and checked. The only real option he had was the timing. It appears that, while the decision to not retain Butch was made early in the season, the plan was to allow him to coach out the rest of the season and resign with a renegotiated buyout. However the performance (or lack thereof) of the team on the field and the Kendrick situation made that position untenable and Butch was let go early. At this point Currie has a replacement and is waiting a suitable amount of time to announce him. This may be due to commitments by Gruden, pressure from certain boosters, a desire to see Butch hired elsewhere, or a combination of some or all of these plus other unknown conditions.

Peyton Manning was brought in to help seal the deal on Gruden as the new head coach and to provide an incentive to accept the deal on the part of the Academic Department in the form of potential fundraising. I think Peyton’s involvement was actually predicated on the football team having a reasonably successful year and needing to provide rationale and support for changing the coach. Events have shown that part was unnecessary.

The Academic Department gets increased funding and other resources to help them with their goal of becoming a top 25 public research school. They also get a built in outlet for the results of the research in the form of a relationship with the VC firm. In exchange, they’ve agreed to give up some of the control they had over the Athletic Department. This helps the Athletic Department become more competitive and increases the revenue stream from Athletics.
The Haslams are probably the only losers in this whole scenario. Their influence on the University is being minimized. This is probably to ensure there is no interference, intentional or otherwise, with all the other arrangements. I’m not into the politics of the situation but it wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t personal reasons behind it as well if some of the speculation about past power struggles is true.

MIT_Beaver basically laid out his role for us as an influencer. His job was to help develop the strategy (it’s unclear on whether in whole or in part) and serve as the public influencer. He’s using VN and the Vol fan base to increase public pressure on the University to ensure that all aspects of the deal are approved.
Bubba appears to be part of the venture capital team arranging things. His posts indicate knowledge of the details and indicates his own involvement (9).

(1) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(2) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXI
(3) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV
(4) Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVI
(5) Dish: We already have RAN vendors for our NB-IoT network | FierceWireless
(6) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(7) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(8) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX
(9) Official Jon Gruden Thread XX

Bingo, we have a winner.......