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marcusluvsvols said:
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Ancient Egypt Discovery - Archaeologists Uncover Evidence of ‘Impossible’ Technology That Rewrites History

For years, we’ve heard the same story: that the Egyptian pyramids were built by armies of workers dragging massive stone blocks up ramps under the blazing
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More BS conjecture regarding the pyramids. No less believable than the ramp theory though i guess. Wish people would just be honest and say that we have no idea how the heck they were built. We don't even know how they managed to carve the stones, ornate columns emellished top and bottom that are nearly perfect (dozens of them identical weighing 20 tons each) perfectly flat and square obelisks weighing 60+ tons etc. The current explanation from archeologists is that they were carved by hand using wood and stone tools...because this is several thousand years before the bronze age. Much less the iron age. Even metal is horrible for cutting stone or brick. Modern tools have diamond tipped blades and bits because its the only thing hard enough to cut them. Theres no evidence of diamond tools from this age either. I watched a thing recently about stone vessels looking like flower vases but larger from ancient Egypt. They scanned them with lasers and they were perfectly round and the walls were perfect curve and thickness down to thousandths of an inch. Carved from 1 piece of stone. The guy on the video said his state of the art CNC machines couldnt do that because the material is too fragile. These were carved from granite...not baked in clay. We have no idea how that civilization did lots of things, and that's OK. Apparently they were thousands of years ahead of any other civilization on Earth. Their advances and relics just don't fit with our current understanding of history...like the Antikythera Mechanism. We may never know how they did these things. Whats fascinating is the new LIDAR findings below the pyramids at Giza IIRC. Apparently there are HUGE underground complexes several levels deep with huge chambers underneath and around the pyramids. They were referenced in aniquity by historians in Biblical times and new technology has revealed them to actually exist underground. Hopefully theres a wealth of knowledge buried in them to help us understand how these things were accomplished.
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Egyptian building techniques is a fascinating subject. Wanted to share something about the LIDAR. Lidar uses laser pulses and reflections for detailed mapping. It does not penetrate the ground. I don't know how lidar can look under pyramids unless it is actually placed under them.
 
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Now that Aguilar is getting some national attention, his story is too. And it's a great one. I hope we do well this year. I hope he gets a Heisman invite. I hope he gets an NFL opportunity. That would be a perfect conclusion to his journey.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
@LouderVol

www.conradleadership.org

Ancient Egypt Discovery - Archaeologists Uncover Evidence of ‘Impossible’ Technology That Rewrites History

For years, we’ve heard the same story: that the Egyptian pyramids were built by armies of workers dragging massive stone blocks up ramps under the blazing
www.conradleadership.org www.conradleadership.org

More BS conjecture regarding the pyramids. No less believable than the ramp theory though i guess. Wish people would just be honest and say that we have no idea how the heck they were built. We don't even know how they managed to carve the stones, ornate columns emellished top and bottom that are nearly perfect (dozens of them identical weighing 20 tons each) perfectly flat and square obelisks weighing 60+ tons etc. The current explanation from archeologists is that they were carved by hand using wood and stone tools...because this is several thousand years before the bronze age. Much less the iron age. Even metal is horrible for cutting stone or brick. Modern tools have diamond tipped blades and bits because its the only thing hard enough to cut them. Theres no evidence of diamond tools from this age either. I watched a thing recently about stone vessels looking like flower vases but larger from ancient Egypt. They scanned them with lasers and they were perfectly round and the walls were perfect curve and thickness down to thousandths of an inch. Carved from 1 piece of stone. The guy on the video said his state of the art CNC machines couldnt do that because the material is too fragile. These were carved from granite...not baked in clay. We have no idea how that civilization did lots of things, and that's OK. Apparently they were thousands of years ahead of any other civilization on Earth. Their advances and relics just don't fit with our current understanding of history...like the Antikythera Mechanism. We may never know how they did these things. Whats fascinating is the new LIDAR findings below the pyramids at Giza IIRC. Apparently there are HUGE underground complexes several levels deep with huge chambers underneath and around the pyramids. They were referenced in aniquity by historians in Biblical times and new technology has revealed them to actually exist underground. Hopefully theres a wealth of knowledge buried in them to help us understand how these things were accomplished.
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so yeah a couple things. you are right. this is just another POSSIBLE way it could have been done. no reason to think the water towers were done. I think there is evidence there were canals going right up to the pyramids, so the stone wouldn't have to go across much ground, but that is a different conversation.

also, I really hate that this bit always gets thrown in "Another twist: no remains of Pharaoh Djoser have ever been found inside his pyramid. No sarcophagus, no mummified body, no burial symbols. Could the pyramid have been something more than a tomb?" the answer is probably not. there is a really simple reason why no remains have been found. Grave robbers. The pyramids can't be hidden, so grave robbing was pretty straight forward. they also usually talk about the lack of afterlife imagery and whatnot. but miss that when the pyramids were made that use of imagery in graves was not common. the mummies we have were found in hidden graves, that weren't touched by grave robbers. not such possibility with the pyramids.

as far as the LIDAR I would be careful of that. It hasn't been tested. as McDad pointed out, LIDAR is not the accepted tech to use to look below ground. its great for reading thru "soft" stuff like plant matter, doesn't do too good against rock. these guys are claiming to have a new piece of software that is able to ready LIDAR from underground. but they refuse to document how they do it, or share the tech to someone else to see about duplicating it. also there claims are extreme, they claim to use a tech that doesn't penetrate the ground all that well, and are getting results almost 100x deeper than the deepest any tech can do. great claims require great evidence. scans using actual ground penetrating radar, or even advanced sonar techniques don't reveal anything these guys are claiming.

also its very likely these guys never actually did the scan. egypt is very funny about using tech. they will let you dig up a grave, but won't let you use any modern tech. egyptian authorities have said their claims are crap they even did the scan as they never even applied to do it.

also go look at the "actual" claimed results vs what they are claiming. the raw data looks nothing like what they are saying.

this guy debunks a lot of spurious internet archaeology claims. there is some NSFW language, but even though its a long video he does a good job presenting facts while also not being completely boring. a lot of what I said, he covers.

 
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also marcus on the carving stuff that is again a bit of an assumption that we don't have the tech.

I think Milo has a video that includes some context on the carving aspect, but I couldn't find a standalone to link. others have covered it too.

the answer is sand, sand is made up of a lot of really hard quartz. so carving large rocks they would have used a strap/belt/saw of leather/wood/softer rock, and just rubbed sand into the stone over and over. yeah you have to replace the leather/wood/rock, but whatever. think about it as really old fashioned sand blasting. there are also various techniques that can soften stone. The Inca used an acid, a lot of cultures, including egyptians used heat shock (build a fire, then thrown water on the stone). also using water itself to cut thru the stone, or again putting sand in it, and letting the water continuously run over those surfaces. if they understood the hydraulics of lifting multiple ton stones, they could easily figure out to make a old fashioned water jet.

for carving the pots one thing I have seen suggested is using the same sand and spinning it. basically put a large stone on a spinning surface, surround it with walls, and as you spin it pour sand in. both inside and outside of the stone. if you have heard about the tire balancing beads, its a similar principal. as you spin it the sand will want to find equilibrium along the surface, giving the smooth/uniform thickness. use of sacrificial layers, or even amount of sand would make the different shapes. Now we don't have any evidence of this, but its a possible low tech method they would have been capable of doing.

another things these guys never mention, that we have literal metric tons of examples of these stone containers not being perfect, and even more metric tons of broken examples from whatever system they had that were failures. so its not like every stone container ended up "perfect", its just that some of them are, and people just like to jump to conclusions. what ends up in a museum, especially on display are the BEST or nicest examples we have, not the only examples we have. no one wants to pay to go to a museum and look at some lumpy stone, or broken shards.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The only ACC teams I would have any desire to add would be Miami and FSU.

And that's only to annoy UF.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Haynes King in an all-white stadium on a Saturday night. That dude has been must-see TV this year.

Speaking of, people must be buzzing about Mateer, huh?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Speaking of, people must be buzzing about Mateer, huh?
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They certainly know they got an upgrade over Arnold. SSC and I've watched a couple of their games and the dude is pretty legit. He shows some shades of Baker with his feet, but that could change one they get into conference play and he gets smacked in the mouth.

But giving him his due, he's the kind that gets up, dusts himself off and gets right back to it. He's a baller and could cause trouble for sure.
 
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Thanks for those posts pertaining to the Egypt stuff guys. Will definitely look into that. Also exciting to have a new youtube channel to subscribe to and nerd out. I am glad that there are still trying to figure out the "how" and "why" of things especially things like in Egypt and the super old sites in Turkey...thats science and its cool. People acting like they definitely know how some of those things were done is lame though. Thanks for telling me the LIDAR stuff was bogus there too. Makes sense for it not to be effective like in the jungle areas. The authorities in Egypt seem to have rarely been cooperative with the West at least for the last couple decades. I did get to go see the golden sarcophagus of Ramses II and the exhibition of Pharoahs when it came thru Charlotte when I was in 6th grade. It was amazing, and that was cool for their friendly government of the time to allow those priceless items to travel the US like that.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Thanks for those posts pertaining to the Egypt stuff guys. Will definitely look into that. Also exciting to have a new youtube channel to subscribe to and nerd out. I am glad that there are still trying to figure out the "how" and "why" of things especially things like in Egypt and the super old sites in Turkey...thats science and its cool. People acting like they definitely know how some of those things were done is lame though. Thanks for telling me the LIDAR stuff was bogus there too. Makes sense for it not to be effective like in the jungle areas. The authorities in Egypt seem to have rarely been cooperative with the West at least for the last couple decades. I did get to go see the golden sarcophagus of Ramses II and the exhibition of Pharoahs when it came thru Charlotte when I was in 6th grade. It was amazing, and that was cool for their friendly government of the time to allow those priceless items to travel the US like that.
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the new lidar thing COULD be a thing, but because they aren't sharing it at the moment its just impossible to prove.

my friend is an archaeologist, and has worked with ground penetrating radar, and his whole point is that when something new comes out, who ever did it makes sure everyone has it. its more on them to prove their stuff works, rather than everyone else to disprove it.

what he does "admit" that is reasonable is that pyramids could be built on top of older stuff. given the sphinx, and general area, its one of those things that is believed, but again never proven. but without proof, it didn't happen. and until very recently the only way to prove if there was something beneath the pyramids would be to actually dig below the pyramids.

Milo has some good content. I typically prefer when he is introducing new things to me, rather than disproving stuff. but he is still worth the watch.

and yeah there are more and more people getting into "practical archaeology" who actually go thru and try to do these things.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Thanks for those posts pertaining to the Egypt stuff guys. Will definitely look into that. Also exciting to have a new youtube channel to subscribe to and nerd out. I am glad that there are still trying to figure out the "how" and "why" of things especially things like in Egypt and the super old sites in Turkey...thats science and its cool. People acting like they definitely know how some of those things were done is lame though. Thanks for telling me the LIDAR stuff was bogus there too. Makes sense for it not to be effective like in the jungle areas. The authorities in Egypt seem to have rarely been cooperative with the West at least for the last couple decades. I did get to go see the golden sarcophagus of Ramses II and the exhibition of Pharoahs when it came thru Charlotte when I was in 6th grade. It was amazing, and that was cool for their friendly government of the time to allow those priceless items to travel the US like that.
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Hey bro, how's the job search?
 
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McDad said:
Hey bro, how's the job search?
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Still just doing side work, which has kept me from putting together a resume and actually seeking a job as a Super. Need to get my crap together and do that. My former employer signed a couple contracts and says.they want to bring me back next year though...so I am kinda torn on what to do. Thanks for asking bud.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Still just doing side work, which has kept me from putting together a resume and actually seeking a job as a Super. Need to get my crap together and do that. My former employer signed a couple contracts and says.they want to bring me back next year though...so I am kinda torn on what to do. Thanks for asking bud.
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Re procrastination: Are you worried if you "put yourself out there" nobody will want to hire you?
 
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Grand Vol said:
The only ACC teams I would have any desire to add would be Miami and FSU.

And that's only to annoy UF.
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volbound1700 said:
I think the SEC will end up with UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson and possibly UVA and FSU once the dust settles.
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hog88 said:
Miami and UNC
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I’ve been saying for years there are only 2 logical ACC additions to the SEC:

UNC & UVA

That’s it. That’s the list.
Geographically, Culturally, Resources, Brands, Academics (what little that matters).

None of the others usually mentioned (Clem, Miami, Tech, FSU) bring the additional tv markets that would come with Virginia & North Carolina.
 
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