Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[82_VOL_83]

Agreed, sort of. I am actually in energy exploration. I'm also conservative. I'm not anti-science, however.



This BBC article you all mocked without even reading was concerning Arctic Sea Ice. This article is about Antarctic sea ice. If you're curious about the differences (beyond penguins vs. polar bears) read this

Arctic vs. Antarctica

If you're curious why ANTarctic sea ice has increased in recent years, read this

Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?



That article was from September because that's when the Arctic sea ice reaches it's minimum extent. After September the ice grows again. What's your point?



In breaking news, Alaskan winters are cold

Yeah, reading past the first paragraph isn't your strong point I see. I quoted the Antarctica article because YOUR article mentioned record setting ice on 9/18. It set an all time record on 9/23.....in Antarctica. I suspect that the sea ice in the Arctic is going to come back with a roar this year.

 

[hog88]

I agree with the parts I've bolded. Obviously natural forcings on climate are going to happen with or without us on this planet. At one point North America was almost entirely covered in a shallow sea. At one point our planet was almost entirely covered in ice (snowball earth). The most well-known climate forcing is by Milankovitch cycles which I'm sure has popped up in this thread. The problem with attributing global warming entirely to Milankovitch cycles is that we should be on a cooling trend for the next 70,000 years or so (the last temperature maximum in the cycle was at the beginning of the Holocene around 10,000 years ago).

Obviously there are other factors that contribute to climate too: the position of landmasses relative to maximum solar irradiance and its effect on our planet's albedo, ocean currents, etc. Our planet is a dynamic system, but to believe we have no impact on it is naive.

Again, I am in the energy exploration field. I am conservative. I don't want ruin my livelihood and I don't particularly care to regulate your hummers. I'm telling you there is no giant conspiracy between scientists and democrats.

I agree with you there, no conspiracy between Democrats and scientists. The democrats have just taken advantage of the conspiracy between the anti-American/anti-capitalism groups, the people making money off the farce of MMGW AND the scientists.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I agree with you there, no conspiracy between Democrats and scientists. The democrats have just taken advantage of the conspiracy between the anti-American/anti-capitalism groups, the people making money off the farce of MMGW AND the scientists.

Hog, it's because the people the dems use are real scientists.

 

[BartW]

Yeah, reading past the first paragraph isn't your strong point I see. I quoted the Antarctica article because YOUR article mentioned record setting ice on 9/18. It set an all time record on 9/23.....in Antarctica. I suspect that the sea ice in the Arctic is going to come back with a roar this year.

I was talking about Arctic sea ice because everyone was circlejerking about the BBC article about Arctic sea ice one of you posted without reading earlier. Then you replied with a link about Antarctic sea ice. Arctic sea ice reached its minimum on September 13 and Antarctic sea ice reached its maximum on September 23. When it's summer in the northern hemisphere it's winter in the southern hemisphere... Obviously you are the one misinterpreting here since you said "Yep, and 3 days later it all froze back".

Arctic sea ice has been rapidly decreasing over the past decades while Antarctic sea ice has been slowly increasing. However Antarctic land ice has been decreasing and overall Antarctica is losing ice. In fact the melting land ice decreases the salinity of the water around Antarctica, contributing to the increase in sea ice.

Is Antarctica gaining or losing ice?

 

[82_VOL_83]

I was talking about Arctic sea ice because everyone was circlejerking about the BBC article about Arctic sea ice one of you posted without reading earlier. Then you replied with a link about Antarctic sea ice. Arctic sea ice reached its minimum on September 13 and Antarctic sea ice reached its maximum on September 23. When it's summer in the northern hemisphere it's winter in the southern hemisphere... Obviously you are the one misinterpreting here since you said "Yep, and 3 days later it all froze back".

Arctic sea ice has been rapidly decreasing over the past decades while Antarctic sea ice has been slowly increasing. However Antarctic land ice has been decreasing and overall Antarctica is losing ice. In fact the melting land ice decreases the salinity of the water around Antarctica, contributing to the increase in sea ice.

Is Antarctica gaining or losing ice?

But I did read the article.....after reading it again you got the reference to Antarctic ice.

 

[BartW]

But I did read the article.....after reading it again you got the reference to Antarctic ice.

This was the part of my response to the BBC article about arctic sea ice you quoted

Here's what has happened since 2007, in case you were wondering

Arctic sea ice reaches lowest extent for 2013

And here's another interesting related article

Arctic sea ice delusions strike the Mail on Sunday and Telegraph

You replied with an article about Antarctic sea ice. I've only addressed Antarctic sea ice since you brought it up

 

[govols/cc]

Sounds like just the water is getting warmer.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[Gannon Goodson]

What does this prove? While Northwest Nevada and parts of Northern California might see less snowfall this year, the rest of the country is seeing the most in over a decade.

 

[BartW]

What does this prove? While Northwest Nevada and parts of Northern California might see less snowfall this year, the rest of the country is seeing the most in over a decade.

The pacific northwest has also had an unusually dry and warm winter so far. In Australia it's crazy hot.

Weather =/= Climate

 

[Velo Vol]

What does this prove?

That much of California is in bad shape.

 

[govols/cc]

That much of California is in bad shape.

Lol. It is but not because it snowed one year & not the next.

 

[Sandvol]

above average over the last 11 months. Have we started into an age of global cooling?

 

[Grand Vol]

above average over the last 11 months. Have we started into an age of global cooling?

It's funny to see the way things change. In the 90s it was all about "global warming! sky is falling!" blah, blah.

These days, they package it up in a different term of "global climatic change." That way they are never wrong. If it gets too hot, it's global climatic change. If it gets too cold, it's global climatic change.

 

[hog88]

It's funny to see the way things change. In the 90s it was all about "global warming! sky is falling!" blah, blah.

These days, they package it up in a different term of "global climatic change." That way they are never wrong. If it gets too hot, it's global climatic change. If it gets too cold, it's global climatic change.

I the 70s early 80s it was the coming ice age.

 

[BartW]

Sandvol (and people) c'mon, what have I been saying about weather != climate, long-term trends, yadayadayada. All this anecdotal evidence makes me :banghead2:

As for global cooling,

link

 

[508mikey]

more global warming headed for Illinois -- snow plus minus 8 temps --- gotta love these global warming buffoons

 

[BartW]

more global warming headed for Illinois -- snow plus minus 8 temps --- gotta love these global warming buffoons

Funny. Real funny.

I'm just going to assume all the "it's cold somewhere" posts are troll jobs

 

[Obsessed]

Funny. Real funny.

I'm just going to assume all the "it's cold somewhere" posts are troll jobs

It's tongue in cheek Bart.

But none the less. Global warming is a farce.

 

[Gannon Goodson]

Funny. Real funny.

I'm just going to assume all the "it's cold somewhere" posts are troll jobs

Seriously, leave the Left Coast. They're warping your mind.

 

[Velo Vol]

Since everyone else is posting charts from who knows where

 

[hndog609]

This thread is pretty bloated at this point and it may even have been covered but what is the planet's temperature "supposed" to be? If everyone can agree the planet's temperature varies then is there any kind of actual "right vs wrong" temperature?

 

[hog88]

This thread is pretty bloated at this point and it may even have been covered but what is the planet's temperature "supposed" to be? If everyone can agree the planet's temperature varies then is there any kind of actual "right vs wrong" temperature?

Bingo!!

The alarmists don't want to hear any of this, just ignore that the planet has gone through many major changes in climate and temperature through the ages.

 

[BartW]

It's tongue in cheek Bart.

But none the less. Global warming is a farce.

The sad part is I'm not so sure

Seriously, leave the Left Coast. They're warping your mind.

I moved here from Tennessee, got most of my education in Tennessee. Science denialism is something I'm not going to miss. How many of you have ever left the state of Tennessee?

This thread is pretty bloated at this point and it may even have been covered but what is the planet's temperature "supposed" to be? If everyone can agree the planet's temperature varies then is there any kind of actual "right vs wrong" temperature?

Excellent question. I have mentioned this earlier but it's worth repeating. Scientists and science denialists both agree that climate went through cycles before man's influence.

What alarms scientists is that we are rapidly diverging from that cycle. We should be on a cooling trend for the next ~70,000 years, instead the planet is warming.

relevant link

Since everyone else is posting charts from who knows where

May you be touched by His noodly appendage

 

[Grand Vol]

What alarms scientists is that we are rapidly diverging from that cycle. We should be on a cooling trend for the next ~70,000 years, instead the planet is warming.

My question is...

Is this 70,000 years exact? Give or take a couple decades here and there? I know enough about the science to know nothing is absolute when it comes to things like this. The timelines can (and often will) get skewed meaning just because we are on a warming cycle doesn't mean that in five years we won't start a cooling trend.

But the global warming folks want you to think these numbers are absolute. And they are selling the paranoia that the Earth is warming, man is responsible and while we should have been in a cooling trend, we aren't (yet) and it's all our fault.

I have stated before and I'll state it again. I know the climatic change is happening. I believe we are not helping in that regard. But we are NOT the sole responsible party for this. The overstatement of man's involvement in global warming is what I have an issue with.