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This is from Judith Curry's blog about the August Nature article. Remember she is on your side.

"What is mind blowing is Figure 1b, which gives the POGA C simulations (natural internal variability only). The main ’fingerprint’ of AGW has been the detection of a separation between climate model runs with natural plus anthropogenic forcing, versus natural variability only. The detection of AGW has emerged sometime in the late 1970′s , early 1980′s. Compare the temperature increase between 1975-1998 (main warming period in the latter part of the 20th century) for both POGA H and POGA C:

POGA H: 0.68C (natural plus anthropogenic)
POGA C: 0.4C (natural internal variability only)




I’m not sure how good my eyeball estimates are, and you can pick other start/end dates. But no matter what, I am coming up with natural internal variability associated accounting for significantly MORE than half of the observed warming."

Just damn.
 
that's funny when you take into account how much has been spent to prove anthropogenic climate change is real

Funding science vs. funding political spin seem to fall into different categories to me. If these groups fund scientists who are looking at failures of the models, etc. then that is one thing. But that isn't what this money is being spent on. It's spent on spreading the same bad arguments.
 
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This argument will never end. I bet the cave men were arguing during the last ice age, It's getting warmer snort we better stop burning wood!!!!!!
 
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This argument will never end. I bet the cave men were arguing during the last ice age, It's getting warmer snort we better stop burning wood!!!!!!

Not really. It's pretty much already over except for the amateurs. Global warming has had some major setbacks the last few years like IPCC report and Climate Gate. It is only the lay people like a few of the folks on this board who choose to ignore what is happening out there who continue to promote the myth. Most of the scientific community are starting to abandon this.
 
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Not really. It's pretty much already over except for the amateurs. Global warming has had some major setbacks the last few years like IPCC report and Climate Gate. It is only the lay people like a few of the folks on this board who choose to ignore what is happening out there who continue to promote the myth. Most of the scientific community are starting to abandon this.

Who do you think writes the IPCC assessment reports? Or the papers the reports are based upon?
 
Who do you think writes the IPCC assessment reports? Or the papers the reports are based upon?

Celebrated Physicist Calls IPCC Summary ‘Deeply Unscientific’

Source: No Frakking Consensus

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Former CERN official says 65 prominent IPCC authors have abandoned “scientific rigour.”

Among the documents recently submitted to a UK Parliamentary committee, a live grenade nestles in the straw.

It was written by a scientific luminary, Pierre Darriulat. For nearly 50 years, his professional life has been devoted to particle physics, nuclear physics, condensed matter physics, and astrophysics. For seven years, he was Director of Research at CERN – one of the world’s largest, most famous, and respected laboratories.

The biography included with his submission tells us that Darriulat was spokesperson for one of the two experiments that simultaneously discovered the weak bosons and gave evidence for quarks and gluons being produced in the form of hadronic jets.

He is the recipient of prestigious science honours, and advises us that his “scientific work is recognized by the international community.”

Now let us recollect that Al Gore says the climate debate is about “high school physics.” And let us recall that Martin O’Malley, the Governor of Maryland, has suggested that climate change (by which he means dangerous, human-caused climate change) is scientifically as uncontested as gravity. In his words, “It is physics, pure and simple.”

The implication of this line of argument is clear. If you don’t think climate change is a planetary emergency you’re a dunce – a scientific know-nothing who should keep quiet and accept the judgment of your intellectual superiors.

In light of their public statements, one would expect Messrs Gore and O’Malley to be keenly interested in what a renowned physicist has to say about the recent Summary for Policymakers (SPM) released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). That’s the document that was drafted by 65 hand-picked IPCC personnel.

Here’s a direct quote from Darriulat’s submission:


The way the SPM deals with uncertainties (e.g. claiming something is 95% certain) is shocking and deeply unscientific. For a scientist, this simple fact is sufficient to throw discredit on the whole summary. The SPM gives the wrong idea that one can quantify precisely our confidence in the [climate] model predictions, which is far from being the case. [bold added]

Darriulat says “the main point to appreciate” is that, because the Summary was written for policymakers rather than for other scientists, it “can not be a scientific document.” His next remarks deserve to be displayed on every billboard in Times Square:


When writing the SPM, the authors are facing a dilemma: either they speak as scientists and…recognize that there are too many unknowns to make reliable predictions…or they try to convey what they “consensually” think…at the price of giving up scientific rigour. They deliberately chose the latter…they have distorted the scientific message into an alarmist message… [bold added; click here for the full, unedited version]

This is bracing, no-nonsense talk from someone well equipped to understand what’s going on. In Darriulat’s opinion, when scientists write IPCC summaries not only are they are engaging in “a highly subjective exercise,” they’re blatantly “ignoring basic scientific practices.” Not mincing words, he declares that “Such behaviour is unacceptable.”

In his opinion, the conclusions presented in the IPCC’s recent Summary are “far from robust.” He thinks the IPCC “should consider it a duty to answer scientifically” a number of concerns that have been raised by its critics, but says the new IPCC report fails to do so. Instead, he says, it sometimes appears to be “eluding rather than facing embarrassing questions.”

Darriulat’s submission is worth reading in full (online here, PDF here). Near the end, he directly addresses questions posed by the committee’s Terms of Reference.

Keeping in mind Gore’s claim that nothing more complicated than high school physics is involved, here’s what an actual physics virtuoso thinks:


Committee: Has [the IPCC's latest report] sufficiently explained the reasons behind the widely reported hiatus in the global surface temperature record?

Darriulat: Of course not, how could it? One can only suggest hypotheses. The coming decade should help us with understanding much better what is most relevant.

Apparently, climate change isn’t basic physics after all.

And – just in case you missed it - 65 prominent IPCC personnel have been publicly accused of
•producing a “shocking and deeply unscientific” document
•abandoning “scientific rigour”
•distorting science
•and ignoring “basic scientific practices”


..............just damn.

Oh, just to answer your question....not very good scientists.
 
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Guys this is all recent stuff. The August Nature peer reviewed study and Darriulat's submission to the UK Parliamentary Committee plus Climate Gate are daggers in the heart of global warming alarmists.
 
Not really. It's pretty much already over except for the amateurs. Global warming has had some major setbacks the last few years like IPCC report and Climate Gate. It is only the lay people like a few of the folks on this board who choose to ignore what is happening out there who continue to promote the myth. Most of the scientific community are starting to abandon this.

I'm just wanting to understand whether it is the scientific community or amateurs responsible for the reports you're saying are a setback. Actually I know the answer. Do you?
 
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Meanwhile, disregard all temperature measurements and the melting Arctic.

Please re-read:

"Guys this is all recent stuff. The August Nature peer reviewed study and Darriulat's submission to the UK Parliamentary Committee plus Climate Gate are daggers in the heart of global warming alarmists."
 
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I'm just wanting to understand whether it is the scientific community or amateurs responsible for the reports you're saying are a setback. Actually I know the answer. Do you?


Please re-read:


"Guys this is all recent stuff. The August Nature peer reviewed study and Darriulat's submission to the UK Parliamentary Committee plus Climate Gate are daggers in the heart of global warming alarmists."
 
Meanwhile, disregard all temperature measurements and the melting Arctic.

meanwhile, a well meaning group of scientists has devised a plan to obliterate the sun, the one proven cause of climate change on planet earth. Their plan does necessarily destroy all life on earth and the rest of the solar system, but they say it is a worthwhile endeavor to combat climate change.
 
Please re-read:


"Guys this is all recent stuff. The August Nature peer reviewed study and Darriulat's submission to the UK Parliamentary Committee plus Climate Gate are daggers in the heart of global warming alarmists."

The summary for policy makers is a slice of the full assessment report. It is true that the summary is not really a scientific document. The assessment report itself is more so, but not as much as the academic papers it is based directly on. I do not take issue with him raising questions about the accuracy of applying the confidence intervals to estimates that are not easily bounded. It's also important to note that the 95% confidence interval if the model is not a 95% confidence if actual future outcomes. I'm not sure if the IPCC uses the former to peoduce estimates of the latter, but if do that would be a mistake without making it clear what the drawbacks are.

With all of that said, thus isn't a dagger in the heart of climate science itself. And climate gate certainly wasn't. It was climate scientists venting frustration at certain individuals.
 
The summary for policy makers is a slice of the full assessment report. It is true that the summary is not really a scientific document. The assessment report itself is more so, but not as much as the academic papers it is based directly on. I do not take issue with him raising questions about the accuracy of applying the confidence intervals to estimates that are not easily bounded. It's also important to note that the 95% confidence interval if the model is not a 95% confidence if actual future outcomes. I'm not sure if the IPCC uses the former to peoduce estimates of the latter, but if do that would be a mistake without making it clear what the drawbacks are.

With all of that said, thus isn't a dagger in the heart of climate science itself. And climate gate certainly wasn't. It was climate scientists venting frustration at certain individuals.

So, it's your claim that the Nobel winning IPCC assessment report is more so a scientific document and Darriulat's problem was only with the summary that was produced by 65 hand picked climate scientists from around the world? You know, the summary that was meant to be a scientific analaysis of the most authoritative research? You know the Nobel winning summary? And, that you know who produced these papers the summary was based upon and you want to know if I know? Those are your arguments? I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about. You really don't have a clue.
 
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