Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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Sandvol said:
What was Al Gore's big claim? Wasn't it by 2010 we'd have seriously rising sea levels and our coastal areas would be in jeopardy?
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Yes, but that was offset by Obama's promise to lower sea levels. In liberalism/socialism Obama>>>Algore. Algore is a Washington capitalist. He loves money, loves making it, loves stealing it, and loves spending it when it doesn't belong to him.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
OK, so you use the fudge factor. You selectively continue to put variables in the equation until it reaches the desired outcome. It doesn't fit as well as the finagle factor it which you actually change the equation (NOT the variables) to fit the current outcome. Libs just keep changing what they want to fed the public (i.e. the equation: Man made global warming -> global warming -> climate change) to fit the current weather: Holy Crap it's hot, damn it's cold, look at all the snow, it's raining at Christmas, etc, etc. Why don't you guys put your efforts toward creating realistic fusion? Why don't you guys figure out a better way to capture natural gas or even produce it. Why don't you guys figure out how to get the oil OUT of the ground without disturbing the environment overly much. Do something useful instead of creating sensationalistic problems that require massive government regulation to do absolutely nothing but raise taxes.
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By variables I mean adding additional physics. You add additional complexity to the model through adding physics previously neglected. You aren't adding a variable so you have an extra degree of freedom to fit, explicitly.
 
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Sandvol said:
So it was cloudy or wet in our segment of the planet and we have these invisible walls that keep the rest of the planet's environment out of our segment of the planet as well as molecules and radiant energy? Let me ask you if it was wetter and water vapor is a greenhouse gas why didn't the wetter conditions raise the local surface temperatures?
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Can it be warmer in Ohio than Tennessee? Answer is yes. That's all I'm saying.

Water vapor acts as a net warmer but once it forms clouds the global effect is tougher to describe. No doubt the temperature directly under the cloud is cooler than it would be if the cloud were not there. It's the same reason you sit under an umbrella at the beach.

Water vapor and it's connection to cloud formation and the resulting warming/cooling I are some of the toughest areas of climate modeling.
 
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TennTradition said:
Can it be warmer in Ohio than Tennessee? Answer is yes. That's all I'm saying.

Water vapor acts as a net warmer but once it forms clouds the global effect is tougher to describe. No doubt the temperature directly under the cloud is cooler than it would be if the cloud were not there. It's the same reason you sit under an umbrella at the beach.

Water vapor and it's connection to cloud formation and the resulting warming/cooling I are some of the toughest areas of climate modeling.
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We're not talking about Ohio versus Tennessee on any given day. We're talking about the western hemisphere. Could it also be that their data monitoring and collection systems are still poor? Could it be that they really don't have a clue about the effect greenhouse gases have and if there really is much of a greenhouse effect? Could it be they have really no clue about all the factors that regulates global temperatures and they are just now starting to study them? Could it be that certain political groups have jumped on this not because they are concerned about global warming but to press an agenda? Could it be that they are trying to influence the scientific community and reward scientists to present data that supports their claims?
 
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Sandvol said:
We're not talking about Ohio versus Tennessee on any given day. We're talking about the western hemisphere. Could it also be that their data monitoring and collection systems are still poor? Could it be that they really don't have a clue about the effect greenhouse gases have and if there really is much of a greenhouse effect? Could it be they have really no clue about all the factors that regulates global temperatures and they are just now starting to study them? Could it be that certain political groups have jumped on this not because they are concerned about global warming but to press an agenda? Could it be that they are trying to influence the scientific community and reward scientists to present data that supports their claims?
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It isn't that every single measurement taken in North America was cooler than the rest of the planet. Take all the high temperatures and average them. That answer didn't break a record while all the others did. That could have been caused easily by a weather pattern that month that led to lower temps across parts of he continent and kept the average lower than the record. What is the high today in Shanghai? How does that compare to Waco Texas? Same basic latitude but they are likely quite different in any given day. Over time these may average out to some degree. But it is pretty easy to see how the monthly average could be lower on one continent than others in the same hemisphere.
 
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With all the reporting and claims that have gone on for the last 20 years or so there isn't one shred of hard evidence to support the global warming alarmists claims and their predictions of catastrophic consequences. No indicator or situation where everyone could look at and say hey they might have a point. No ice caps melting. No sea levels rising. No plants or animals dying. Nothing.
 
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TennTradition said:
It isn't that every single measurement taken in North America was cooler than the rest of the planet. Take all the high temperatures and average them. That answer didn't break a record while all the others did. That could have been caused easily by a weather pattern that month that led to lower temps across parts of he continent and kept the average lower than the record. What is the high today in Shanghai? How does that compare to Waco Texas? Same basic latitude but they are likely quite different in any given day. Over time these may average out to some degree. But it is pretty easy to see how the monthly average could be lower on one continent than others in the same hemisphere.
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It might be that in this country we have a means to question the claims of the alarmists. When you say globally November was hotter who is going to refute it? Yes, let's just present it in a way that it can't be refuted.
 
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Sandvol said:
With all the reporting and claims that have gone on for the last 20 years or so there isn't one shred of hard evidence to support the global warming alarmists claims and their predictions of catastrophic consequences. No indicator or situation where everyone could look at and say hey they might have a point. No ice caps melting. No sea levels rising. No plants or animals dying. Nothing.
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Other than temperatures continuing to climb. Yes, yes. I know. No warming in the last 15 years. But there has been significant warming over the last 14. Odd. Or not. When you consider 1998 was a huge anomaly.

FWIW, NASA says 2010 was hotter than 1998, so we've gotten that hot again. The trend continues to warm.

Ice is melting as well. This year it grew because last year was insanely - that is, at a record, low. Even with that growth thus year there has still been melting.

Ice is a tough thing to predict though I bet.
 
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TennTradition said:
Other than temperatures continuing to climb. Yes, yes. I know. No warming in the last 15 years. But there has been significant warming over the last 14. Odd. Or not. When you consider 1998 was a huge anomaly.

FWIW, NASA says 2010 was hotter than 1998, so we've gotten that hot again. The trend continues to warm.

Ice is melting as well. This year it grew because last year was insanely - that is, at a record, low. Even with that growth thus year there has still been melting.

Ice is a tough thing to predict though I bet.
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Please don't quote NASA to me. I've been in the NASA research centers. NASA has done a good job of getting us into space and to the Moon. But, lately NASA has been more of a political tool. Have you ever been behind the scenes at NASA? Don't get me wrong they get some good post docs there but they don't stay there long. There has been no warming over the past 17 years. In fact many scientists now believe we are starting into a cooling trend based on sunspot activity and will head into a mini ice age over the next hundred years. Well the ice caps weren't up just a little but a lot supposedly. Or, maybe the ice volume didn't dip as low as they thought?

P.S.-Currently global warming is just about dead until they get some hard evidence to support otherwise.

P.S.P.S.- In a few years the alarmists will be jumping on global cooling-mark my words.
 
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NASA numbers were the first I found. Not sure if they disagree with others. Probably not much if they do. Wasn't an attempt to cherry pick.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Young, liberal, empty headed, liberal arts student with medical school aspirations. You should be required to get a "technical" degree to get into medical school. One based upon nutrition with some anatomy and organic chemistry thrown in shouldn't come close to qualifying.
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Who said I was a liberal arts student?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
GG, if we reduced it that far we would go into an ice age. All the global warming fanatics should read the book "Angels Down".

PV, how about STOP F'ING *****ing about it on this board. The US has reduced it's carbon footprint 10x what any other civilized country has with a decent sized population. Go ***** at China PV, maybe they will listen to you.
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Take a chill pill
 
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TennTradition said:
You do realize the peer reviewed literature is filled with studies linking man to recent increases in CO2 and those CO2 increases to recent warming, right?

Also, you should realize that Lindzen is barely tolerated by the other scientists in his own department who view him as a contrarian. I have heard him cherry pick facts before to make a point I know to be logically flawed - I expect more out of my professors, personally.
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What warming? No one is disputing that man's burning of fossil fuels releases CO2 into the atmosphere. But there have been no trends in extreme weather over the past century. Dozens of factors influence temperatures, and the idea that CO2 tops the list is simply unsupportable. CO2 is a natural trace gas that is vital for all life on earth, and it's absolutely hilarious to hear the Warmers refer to it as pollution.

There are many things we can do to prevent pollution and protect the environment; carbon taxes, wind farms, and solar panels are not in that list.
 
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No one is saying CO2 isn't necessary or even vital. But like light when it's supposed to be dark, it can become significant enough to have deleterious effects.
 
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TennTradition said:
Other than temperatures continuing to climb. Yes, yes. I know. No warming in the last 15 years. But there has been significant warming over the last 14. Odd. Or not. When you consider 1998 was a huge anomaly.

FWIW, NASA says 2010 was hotter than 1998, so we've gotten that hot again. The trend continues to warm.

Ice is melting as well. This year it grew because last year was insanely - that is, at a record, low. Even with that growth thus year there has still been melting.

Ice is a tough thing to predict though I bet.
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Not true. This is how the Alarmists manipulate the data. Anyone who took Statistics 101 in college should be able to see this. They're going back 15, 20 years and comparing temperatures (in some cases just surface temperatures) to show a warming trend. If you go back further, you'll see there are no trends.

Global temperatures were warmer 1,000 years ago and Greenland wasn't covered in permafrost. This was long before the Industrial Revolution. What happened?
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
What warming? No one is disputing that man's burning of fossil fuels releases CO2 into the atmosphere. But there have been no trends in extreme weather over the past century. Dozens of factors influence temperatures, and the idea that CO2 tops the list is simply unsupportable. CO2 is a natural trace gas that is vital for all life on earth, and it's absolutely hilarious to hear the Warmers refer to it as pollution.

There are many things we can do to prevent pollution and protect the environment; carbon taxes, wind farms, and solar panels are not in that list.
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So does breathing. I think the problem is too many people. If we get rid of all the liberals and pointy headed elitists our Carbon levels should be just fine. It will eliminate all that hot air.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
LOL... at 200ppm plant life would begin to die.

I love debating with science illiterates. You guys are like the idiots who "stayed at a Holiday Inn last night." Yeah, we know everything there is to know about manmade global warming... we watched Al Gore's movie!!!
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Ok I don't know exactly what the amount of ppm is required to sustain life. But because I don't know that you are discrediting every chemistry fact I mentioned prior? Unless you have a masters/phd in biochemistry and climatology, I don't consider you a science expert in this department. Im just going off chem 1211.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
Not true. This is how the Alarmists manipulate the data. Anyone who took Statistics 101 in college should be able to see this. They're going back 15, 20 years and comparing temperatures (in some cases just surface temperatures) to show a warming trend. If you go back further, you'll see there are no trends.

Global temperatures were warmer 1,000 years ago and Greenland wasn't covered in permafrost. This was long before the Industrial Revolution. What happened?
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Can you send a link with the information on the last paragraph.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Can you send a link with the information on the last paragraph.
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NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

How the hell do you think the Vikings were able to colonize Greenland? Is it because there was a bunch of damn ice in their way?

There are cycles in nature. We went through a warming phase for a few centuries and then went through a little ice age for a few centuries after that. And guess what, we're gonna go through another ice age in the near future. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

How the hell do you think the Vikings were able to colonize Greenland? Is it because there was a bunch of damn ice in their way?

There are cycles in nature. We went through a warming phase for a few centuries and then went through a little ice age for a few centuries after that. And guess what, we're gonna go through another ice age in the near future. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.
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I find it very ironic for you to use a .gov link lol. But yeah seems interesting. 2 questions, do you have any theories on why the world goes through radical temperature changes, and don't you think it is a bit suspicious that the temperature started picking up post industrial revolution exponentially on the graph.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

How the hell do you think the Vikings were able to colonize Greenland? Is it because there was a bunch of damn ice in their way?

There are cycles in nature. We went through a warming phase for a few centuries and then went through a little ice age for a few centuries after that. And guess what, we're gonna go through another ice age in the near future. It's going to happen whether you like it or not.
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I wish his keyboard would "freeze" ....
 
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