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[Obsessed]

What causes prostate cancer velo?

Breast cancer velo?


Did smoking do that too?

My grandmother died of lung cancer velo. Never smoked a day in her life velo.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Our bodies create billions of cancer cells daily. In return our body destroys and disposes them.

Unfortunately some cancer cells survive ( due to genetics) and the body doesn't see them. It treats them as they are normal cells. These cells grow and become cancer. ( any and all forms- depending on genetics)

There is no cause to cancer. Unless you want to blame your body. When in fact, it created them.

No. Cancer and it's various forms are genetic.

I would assume as a person gets older, the body gets weaker and may not recognize the cancer cell(s) and the body becomes cancerous. ie: smokers lungs are weaker.

You are talking about two different things.

The cellular corruption of cells and their destruction is one aspect of life. It isn't "cancer". There can be cellular corruption of all kinds and they can be deal with in a number of ways including apoptosis (cellular suicide) in a normal, healthy, cancer free adult.

You are treating such mechanisms like they are in vacuum cut-off from all external influences; they are not. There are plenty of known carcinogenic compounds/energy/etc that greatly increase various types of corruption of cells which can lead to cancer. It doesn't not mean that exposure to one of them will necessitate corruption without mitigation of some kind to a "cancerous" threshold. It is this logical necessitation which TRUT correctly rails against.

It doesn't change the fact that limiting exposure to radiation and carcinogenic compounds is a good idea of you want a better chance at living longer.

 

[Obsessed]

You are talking about two different things.

The cellular corruption of cells and their destruction is one aspect of life. It isn't "cancer". There can be cellular corruption of all kinds and they can be deal with in a number of ways including apoptosis (cellular suicide) in a normal, healthy, cancer free adult.

You are treating such mechanisms like they are in vacuum cut-off from all external influences; they are not. There are plenty of known carcinogenic compounds/energy/etc that greatly increase various types of corruption of cells which can lead to cancer. It doesn't not mean that exposure to one of them will necessitate corruption without mitigation of some kind to a "cancerous" threshold. It is this logical necessitation which TRUT correctly rails against.

It doesn't change the fact that limiting exposure to radiation and carcinogenic compounds is a good idea of you want a better chance at living longer.

I'm not saying it doesn't "influence" it. But IT IS NOT THE CAUSE.

It is cellular. Your body makes them. My body makes them. All of our bodies make them.

Some just get past. Period.

 

[Obsessed]

What causes prostate cancer velo?

Breast cancer velo?


Did smoking do that too?

My grandmother died of lung cancer velo. Never smoked a day in her life velo.

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[PKT_VOL]

I'm not saying it doesn't "influence" it. But IT IS NOT THE CAUSE.

It is cellular. Your body makes them. My body makes them. All of our bodies make them.

Some just get past. Period.

At what point do you differentiate "influence" from "cause"? So hormones "influence" cells to act a certain way but not "cause"? Neurotransmitters only "influence" a cell but not "cause"? DNA "influences" a cell but doesn't "cause" a cell to transform?

Seems like a terrible rabbit hole.

 

[Obsessed]

At what point do you differentiate "influence" from "cause"? So hormones "influence" cells to act a certain way but not "cause"? Neurotransmitters only "influence" a cell but not "cause"? DNA "influences" a cell but doesn't "cause" a cell to transform?

Seems like a terrible rabbit hole.

Does tobacco create cancer cells?

 

[Obsessed]

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Come on man. Cancer is cancer. If tobacco causes lung cancer, what causes the other cancers. If tobacco influences lung cancer what influences the other cancers??

 

[PKT_VOL]

Does tobacco create cancer cells?

Create? No. Do the chemicals inhaled increase the likelihood of cells corrupting at a higher rate without being properly mitigated (thus cancer)? Yes.

 

[PKT_VOL]

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Come on man. Cancer is cancer. If tobacco causes lung cancer, what causes the other cancers. If tobacco influences lung cancer what influences the other cancers??

Again, what is your differentiation between "influence" and "causation"?

 

[82_VOL_83]

All we have to do is do our part and buy more of Al Gore's carbon credits. We're obviously not doing enough of our part.

The climate is always changing. Warmer, colder, wetter, dryer. It changes constantly. Spending billions on fighting constant change, good or bad, is f****** retarded.

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[82_VOL_83]

Playing dumb isn't very becoming.

I don't know, I knew some dumb chicks in college......just sayin.

 

[Obsessed]

Again, what is your differentiation between "influence" and "causation"?

Again. Answer my question Your philosophy will not get around this corner.


Your body creates the cancer cells. Period

What your body does with said cancer cells is "it". Destroys them or grows them.

While tobacco may or may not influence or weaken your cells resulting in cancer is irrelevant. The cancer cells had to exist before said tobacco could influence them.

Example. My grandmother. My wife's grandmother. Etc. it's genetic make up. It happens. Trying to blame something else for genetic code is silly.


How many people have had lung cancer, quit smoking, and the cancer leave on its own?

The cells were there. Long before it manifested in to full blown cancer.

 

[82_VOL_83]

The lake at my office has global warmed right over

If you go by the pond behind my apt, the earth has cooled significantly in the past 4 days.

 

[82_VOL_83]

The gases magically disappear.



North America is the only continent that has trees?

It has to.....when you fart in the house it eventually goes away.

 

[Obsessed]

Create? No. Do the chemicals inhaled increase the likelihood of cells corrupting at a higher rate without being properly mitigated (thus cancer)? Yes.[/]


I'm still looking for answers on prostate and breast cancer. If smoking causes lung cancer, what causes these cancers?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Regardless of biological explanation of what cancer cells are, smoking increases chances of obtaining lung cancer by a substantial margin.

Where do you obtain your lung cancer? Macy's or Sax?

 

[PKT_VOL]

Again. Answer my question Your philosophy will not get around this corner.

Your body creates the cancer cells. Period

What your body does with said cancer cells is "it". Destroys them or grows them.

While tobacco may or may not influence or weaken your cells resulting in cancer is irrelevant. The cancer cells had to exist before said tobacco could influence them.

Example. My grandmother. My wife's grandmother. Etc. it's genetic make up. It happens. Trying to blame something else for genetic code is silly.


How many people have had lung cancer, quit smoking, and the cancer leave on its own?

The cells were there. Long before it manifested in to full blown cancer.

Huh?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Huh?

I too am confuseded.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Create? No. Do the chemicals inhaled increase the likelihood of cells corrupting at a higher rate without being properly mitigated (thus cancer)? Yes.[/]


I'm still looking for answers on prostate and breast cancer. If smoking causes lung cancer, what causes these cancers?

Could be any number of things, including natural telomere activity.

 

[Obsessed]

Huh?

Forget it. If your not going to read the thread then quit wasting my time.


"Your body creates billions of cancer cells daily". They are there. Your body destroys and disposes of them daily. All but instantly.

Some get past, some folks, because of genetics.

Have a beer with a oncologists or two. I have. On many a occasion. They dumbed it down for me. Even used crayons. But I get it.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Forget it. If your not going to read the thread then quit wasting my time.


"Your body creates billions of cancer cells daily". They are there. Your body destroys and disposes of them daily. All but instantly.

Some get past, some folks, because of genetics.

Have a beer with a oncologists or two. I have. On many a occasion. They dumbed it down for me. Even used crayons. But I get it.

I know plenty of oncologists and got a major in BCMB.

We have croupted cells in our body. That has been established. We don't consider them "cancerous" because they part of the ebb and flow of life. They are destroyed a number of ways.

"Cancer" happens when this process is out of balance/out of control. Carcinogenic compounds and carcinogenic energy enhance this imbalance in a number of ways including but not limited to causing healthy cells to transform into corrupted cells.Thus, all cancer do not come naturally from naturally corrupted cells which are normally disposed of by various methods.

 

[Velo Vol]

What causes prostate cancer velo?

Breast cancer velo?


Did smoking do that too?

My grandmother died of lung cancer velo. Never smoked a day in her life velo.

It's a risk factor. Just because it doesn't affect everyone doesn't mean it doesn't affect many people.

Not everyone dies in auto accidents. Does that mean that being on the roads is safe?

 

[MG1968]

See also: no one has proven that smoking causes cancer.

not a good comparison since actual science is being used to determine the link between smoking, carcinogenic compounds and the propensity of certain people to develop cancer

there has been zero scientific evidence (this so called "settled science" malarkey) presented that proves that man is causing climate change

 

[Velo Vol]

there has been zero scientific evidence (this so called "settled science" malarkey) presented that proves that man is causing climate change

What scientific experiment do you propose that will "prove" whether or not pollution is altering the global climate?

 

[lawgator1]

not a good comparison since actual science is being used to determine the link between smoking, carcinogenic compounds and the propensity of certain people to develop cancer

there has been zero scientific evidence (this so called "settled science" malarkey) presented that proves that man is causing climate change

How would one prove it to your satisfaction?

And when you say cause, do you mean sole cause? Part? Half? 26.435 %?