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#801
#801
gsvol said:
The Greatest Hoax.
by - James Inhofe

Interview:

Podcast: Sen. Inhofe on 'The Greatest Hoax' of Global Warming

He brings out a lot of facts and his coverage of the topic is the best yet.

To me the most odious segment of the whole discussion is how government grant funds are being used to indoctrinate (brain wash) small children into buying into this gigantic hoax at ever younger ages.

Criminal really.

The game plan has to be the destruction of this nation as we know, how can anyone come to any other conclusion?
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Thats just sick.
 
#803
#803
I guess 99.9% of climatologists are wrong. The .1% are the ones the anti-global warming crowd uses as their basis for argument.
 
#811
#811
Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again) | Mail Online

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that.
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Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.
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According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the ‘Dalton minimum’ of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the ‘Maunder minimum’ (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the ‘Little Ice Age’ when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.
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These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

‘World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,’ said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark’s National Space Institute. ‘It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.’

He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to ‘come roaring back’. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.
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Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been ‘steady warming from 2000 until now’.

‘If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,’ he said.

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. ‘The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,’ Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America’s most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office’s confident prediction of a ‘negligible’ impact difficult to understand.

‘The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,’ said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists ‘are not surprised’.
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‘They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,’ said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years.

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans – not CO2 – caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun – which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

‘Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,’ he said. ‘Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.’

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold ‘La Nina’ effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

‘We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. ‘If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.’
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#812
#812
GoBigOrangeUT said:
There is also plenty of evidence that supports it.
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No there is not, there are models, in other words theories. What ended the last ice age, could it have been GW? Not many coal fired plants, cars or even humans around then?????
 
#813
#813
hog88 said:
No there is not, there are models, in other words theories. What ended the last ice age, could it have been GW? Not many coal fired plants, cars or even humans around then?????
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One thing is for sure, any new thread debunking the GW hoax will be buried in this thread immediately instead of being discussed on it's own merits.

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#816
#816
Shale gas boom helps slash US emissions - FT.com

The shale gas boom has led to a big drop in US carbon emissions, as generators switch from coal to cheap gas. According to the International Energy Agency, US energy-related emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, have fallen 450m tonnes over the past five years – the largest drop
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Gas is fast becoming the new fuel of choice for the US power sector: in the past 12 months, coal generation has slumped by 19 per cent while gas generation has increased by 38 per cent, according to US Department of Energy figures. A gas-fired plant produces half the CO2 emissions of a coal-fired one.
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#818
#818
SHOPS and restaurants could face fines up to $1.1 million if waiters or sales staff wrongly blame the carbon tax for price rises or exaggerate the impact.
And households are being warned to watch out for telephone scammers offering to deposit carbon tax compensation into their bank accounts.

The prices watchdog, the ACCC, will today launch its countdown to the July 1 carbon tax with a special focus on helping small businesses understand their obligations and consumers to be vigilant for false claims.

Don't serve carbon lies, ACCC warns | thetelegraph.com.au
 
#819
#819
Have they not heard of the first amendment to the constitution of the united states of america?

Oh wait we're talking about the socialist state of conaniforicationia. my bad!

Global warming’s real argument: We’re poorer than you are - Orange Punch : The Orange County Register

For those who haven’t been keeping score, the one-world government movement to milk this faux fad for all the redistributed dollars possible has stalled for a few years now since it became abundantly clear that rich countries weren’t about to fork over billions in reparations, subsidies or even “carbon credits” to those nations that call themselves “developing,” or in English, “poorer.”

And of course the poor-developing countries weren’t about to kick any money the other direction. They are in this game to get dough, not give it away.

So, it was inevitable that the next round of squabbles would be as we see in Bonn: “I’m poorer than you,” China insists. Right. Arguably the largest economy on the planet and the Chinese want to be subsidized.

Can you predict where this money-grabbing farce will end?

Unfortunately for Californians, saddled with AB32, the ridiculously named Global Warming Solutions Act, the end game must first pass through our wallets. Government, which if you can believe it, pleads poverty, will fleece, uh make that charges fees to, the rest of us. Just like the Chinese want to do.

The Chinese may be able to subsidize solar panel manufacturing more effectively than California can, but they haven’t got anything on Sacramento when it comes to pleading poverty and receiving redistributed cash.
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#820
#820
NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center caught cooling the past – modern processed records don’t match paper records | Watts Up With That?

We’ve seen examples time and again of the cooling of the past via homogenization that goes on with GISS, HadCRUT, and other temperature data sets. By cooling the data from the past, the trend/slope of the temperature for the last 100 years increases.
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The state-by-state climate summary for the U.S. in February 1934. It may be hard to read, but the average temperature for the state of Arizona is listed as 52.0°F From Monthly Weather Review.

However, if we look at the current NCDC temperature analysis (which runs from 1895-present) we see that for Arizona in February 1934 they have a state average of 48.9°F, not the 52.0°F that was originally published:
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Here we see a screen capture of the current NCDC long-term temperature analysis for Arizona during Februaries. Note in the bar at the bottom that for 1934 they use a figure of 48.9°.

Ken looked at entire years of data from the 1920s and 1930s for numerous different states and found that this ‘cooling’ of the old data was fairly consistent across the board. In fact he produced some charts showing such.
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Is this purposeful mendacity, or just another example of confirmation bias at work? Either way, I don’t think private citizen observers of NOAA’s Cooperative Observer Program who gave their time and efforts every day for years really appreciate that their hard work is tossed into a climate data soup then seasoned to create a new reality that is different from the actual observations they made. In the case of Arizona and changing the CLimate Divisions, it would be the equivalent of changing state borders as saying less people lived in Arizona in 1934 because we changed the borders today. That wouldn’t fly, so why should this?

Sure there are all sorts of “justifications” for these things published by NCDC and others, but the bottom line is that they are not representative of true reality, but of a processed reality.
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Most scientific papers are probably wrong - science-in-society - 30 August 2005 - New Scientist


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#821
#821
A painter took on a job where a woman wanted him to paint her great room the color of a small paint chip she presented to him. He mixed the colors and compared again and again and again until he had the perfect color. He then spent a week painting the room and when it was finished, called in the woman to check his work. She compared the chip and said, “Nope, it is not the exact color. Do it again.” So the painter mixed and mixed and mixed colors until he had the exact shade and spent the next week painting the cavernous room. He called her into the room and she again compared the chip to the wall color and said, “This is still not the right color-” at which time the phone rang and she left to answer it. He was recounting the story to his friend and told him how when the woman came back from her phone call, said, “Well, it IS the exact color” and paid him for his work.

The friend asked, “Did the person on the other end of the call convice her that it was the right color?” The painter said, “No, when she left the room, I painted the chip.”

The NOAA is painting the chip.


EPA Official Showers Love on Anti-Fossil Fuel Activists | National Legal and Policy Center

It shows what cowards many at EPA are – rather than defend their indefensible behavior before the publicly-elected officials they are accountable to, they instead decry how “tough” it is in Washington to face a “political climate” that refuses to go along with their extreme agenda. At the same time they eagerly pop out at photo-ops with their environmentalist homeys who show up at their offices to shower love upon them. It’s pretty sickening.
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#822
#822
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.

National Public Radio (NPR) published an article on its website last month claiming, “Ten years ago, a piece of ice the size of Rhode Island disintegrated and melted in the waters off Antarctica. Two other massive ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula had suffered similar fates a few years before. The events became poster children for the effects of global warming. … There’s no question that unusually warm air triggered the final demise of these huge chunks of ice.”



Good News For Polar Bears Is Bad News for Global Warming Alarmists James TaylorContributor

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NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record. Amusingly, page after page of Google News results for Antarctic sea ice record show links to news articles breathlessly spreading fear and warning of calamity because Arctic sea ice recently set a 33-year low.

Sea ice around one pole is shrinking while sea ice around another pole is growing. This sure sounds like a global warming crisis to me.
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Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes
 
#823
#823
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it

The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996


Read more: Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online
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#824
#824
The climate nazis have two goals:

1. Keep the scam alive so that the massive waste of taxpayer dollars/pounds/euros will continue.

2. Convince the stupid people that’s it’s real in order to advance their political agenda.

They will ignore, debunk, or marginalize any inconvenient facts that pop up along the way.
 
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