Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[BartW]

Shell to Abandon Oil-Sands Project — Energy Journal

Looks like they got out just in time…

Obama Administration Rejects Keystone XL Pipeline, Citing Climate Concerns

 

[Obsessed]

Looks like they got out just in time…

Obama Administration Rejects Keystone XL Pipeline, Citing Climate Concerns

Going to put it here too

 

[BartW]

Exxon Mobil Investigated for Possible Climate Change Lies by New York Attorney General

More Oil Companies Could Join Exxon Mobil as Focus of Climate Investigations

 

[MG1968]

China, Bart's favorite country and "leader" in the fight against AGW, isn't quite the shining example of climate responsibility Bart thought it was.

China Is Spewing Out Much More Pollution Than We Ever Imagined | Mother Jones

Official Chinese data, reported by the New York Times on Wednesday after being quietly released earlier this year, suggests China has been burning up to 17 percent more coal each year than previously disclosed by the government.

The revelation—which may mean China has emitted close to a billion additional tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year—could complicate the fight against global warming ahead of the United Nations climate change conference in Paris, which begins on November 30.

In 2012 China consumed 600 million more tons of coal—or more than 70 percent of the United States' annual total—than previously disclosed, according to the revised data.

 

[Sandvol]

This:

does not follow from this:

You must be confused about the context. My quote came straight out of the press release. So did this:

"Powered by an El Niño Pacific Ocean warming event, temperatures in October set records globally, in the Northern Hemisphere and the Tropics, while temperatures in the Southern Hemisphere pushed toward the upper end of the dataset, said Dr. John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. October 2015 was the warmest October in the 36-year satellite temperature record, pushing past October 1998 during what was then called the El Niño of the Century."

Yes, I don't know where that came from. Their latest report is the September report published here on their website:

Global Temperature Report :: UAHuntsville


The above statement is kind of from the August report-at least closer to what he said. They don't quote him verbatim but add their own words to his quote.

I have no idea what you’re getting at here. The lead author is taking some heat and he is standing by the study. It’s entirely possible that their result is correct, but that wouldn’t mean we’re entering a new ice age or anything. The paper will get its due attention from the scientific community and undue attention from the media :zeitung_lesen:


Climate deniers get pizzy as they’re forced to reset their favorite argument?

“Global warming stopped in 2016!”

What I'm getting at is he publishes findings that do not support the IPCC agenda and because he gets flack from all the alarmists he equivocates and attempts to minimize his own findings.

 

[Sandvol]

That fact is Antarctica isn't losing ice and is actually gaining ice.

 

[Sandvol]

This:

does not follow from this:

You must be confused about the context. My quote came straight out of the press release. So did this:

"Powered by an El Niño Pacific Ocean warming event, temperatures in October set records globally, in the Northern Hemisphere and the Tropics, while temperatures in the Southern Hemisphere pushed toward the upper end of the dataset, said Dr. John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. October 2015 was the warmest October in the 36-year satellite temperature record, pushing past October 1998 during what was then called the El Niño of the Century."


I have no idea what you’re getting at here. The lead author is taking some heat and he is standing by the study. It’s entirely possible that their result is correct, but that wouldn’t mean we’re entering a new ice age or anything. The paper will get its due attention from the scientific community and undue attention from the media :zeitung_lesen:


Climate deniers get pizzy as they’re forced to reset their favorite argument?

“Global warming stopped in 2016!”

No, no reset. There has been a pause since about 1998. Probably in the early stages of a trend reversal.

 

[Jxn Vol]

That fact is Antarctica isn't losing ice and is actually gaining ice.

Don't bring up facts. Just look at what the hockey stick chart predicts. That is all that matters.

 

[Sandvol]

China, Bart's favorite country and "leader" in the fight against AGW, isn't quite the shining example of climate responsibility Bart thought it was.

China Is Spewing Out Much More Pollution Than We Ever Imagined | Mother Jones

Bart trusts the Chinese. You know Marxist bedfellows and all.

 

[BartW]

Yes, I don't know where that came from. Their latest report is the September report published here on their website:

Global Temperature Report :: UAHuntsville

The above statement is kind of from the August report-at least closer to what he said. They don't quote him verbatim but add their own words to his quote.

No, the quotes came from a UAH press release on Nov. 3 which I linked in the previous post. Spencer and Christy haven’t published the full October report yet; just the preliminary data.

Do you find their statements difficult to believe? The cognitive dissonance must be deafening.

What I'm getting at is he publishes findings that do not support the IPCC agenda and because he gets flack from all the alarmists he equivocates and attempts to minimize his own findings.

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

He clearly states in the abstract that his results contradict the IPCC report. Are you complaining that he hasn’t declared global warming officially over?

That fact is Antarctica isn't losing ice and is actually gaining ice.

Funny how NASA’s “facts” are only facts when you think they support your agenda.

No, no reset. There has been a pause since about 1998. Probably in the early stages of a trend reversal.

k:

 

[BartW]

China, Bart's favorite country and "leader" in the fight against AGW, isn't quite the shining example of climate responsibility Bart thought it was.

China Is Spewing Out Much More Pollution Than We Ever Imagined | Mother Jones

MoJo figured it out the next day.

Sorry, New York Times: Your Big China Story is "Old News."

So these numbers have been known for a while. If anything, the fact that they’re putting a lot of effort into getting the numbers correct is good news. Furthermore, China just made an historic agreement with France which includes regular compliance checks to improve transparency. And by the way, Chinese coal consumption dropped nearly 3% last year and has continued dropping this year.

US 'playing catch-up to China' in clean energy efforts, UN climate chief says

Yes, one could argue that China is the leader today. But most would agree that it is (and always has been) Europe.

 

[BartW]

More recently still, another rare and unusually powerful cyclone has spun up in the Arabian Sea and could bring eight years worth of rain to war-torn Yemen (which has never experienced a hurricane).

Second deadly cyclone in a week targets Yemen

Crazy!

 

[Sandvol]

No, the quotes came from a UAH press release on Nov. 3 which I linked in the previous post. Spencer and Christy haven’t published the full October report yet; just the preliminary data.

Do you find their statements difficult to believe? The cognitive dissonance must be deafening.

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

No, because it wasn't their statement. It wasn't a UAH press release. It was something from a guy named Bailey from Reason magazine online that was pulled out of context just like most of the crap you post.

He clearly states in the abstract that his results contradict the IPCC report. Are you complaining that he hasn’t declared global warming officially over?

Funny how NASA’s “facts” are only facts when you think they support your agenda.

k:

This guy's name is Twally. Not Hansen. Funny how some actual scientific facts start coming out of NASA once Hansen retires. Must be painful.

 

[hog88]

Second deadly cyclone in a week targets Yemen

Crazy!

Deadly? The first one killed what 6 people?

 

[Sandvol]

Deadly? The first one killed what 6 people?

Bark's going to tell you Yemen has never experienced deadly cyclones before. First in the history of the planet.

 

[MG1968]

MoJo figured it out the next day.

Sorry, New York Times: Your Big China Story is "Old News."

So these numbers have been known for a while. If anything, the fact that they’re putting a lot of effort into getting the numbers correct is good news. Furthermore, China just made an historic agreement with France which includes regular compliance checks to improve transparency. And by the way, Chinese coal consumption dropped nearly 3% last year and has continued dropping this year.

US 'playing catch-up to China' in clean energy efforts, UN climate chief says

Yes, one could argue that China is the leader today. But most would agree that it is (and always has been) Europe.

Song says China is still "on track to meet and exceed" its stated climate goals: "Energy experts are very well familiar with the latest emissions information about China so this should not have any impact on the climate negotiations," Song wrote in an email. "In fact, many experts are still confident that China will actually peak its emissions before China's own target of 2030."

Imagine the climate devastation that is going to occur over the next 15 years while China drags it's heals.

 

[BartW]

No, because it wasn't their statement. It wasn't a UAH press release. It was something from a guy named Bailey from Reason magazine online that was pulled out of context just like most of the crap you post.

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My quote came straight out of the press release. So did this:

"Powered by an El Niño Pacific Ocean warming event, temperatures in October set records globally, in the Northern Hemisphere and the Tropics, while temperatures in the Southern Hemisphere pushed toward the upper end of the dataset, said Dr. John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville.

The Newswise article is the original press release. The Reason link was just the first story I came across. It’s been reported elsewhere as well including their pal Anthony Watts’ blog W(TF)UWT.

Now what have I told you about digging yourself into holes?

This guy's name is Twally. Not Hansen. Funny how some actual scientific facts start coming out of NASA once Hansen retires. Must be painful.

*Zwally

Your confirmation bias is showing, bad. Is NASA’s temperature record now ‘actual scientific fact’? What about the recent GRACE measurements? Let me guess: all observations that suggest positive mass balance for Antarctica are ‘actual scientific facts’, and all observations that indicate negative mass balance are ‘marxist propaganda’. Sound about right?

 

[BartW]

Deadly? The first one killed what 6 people?

At least 9 according to the article, but who’s counting

Bark's going to tell you Yemen has never experienced deadly cyclones before. First in the history of the planet.

It’s a first in well-documented history, which admittedly only goes back a few decades (about as old as the modern state of Yemen). Two in one week after at least 30 years of calm is noteworthy, but I’ve really just been following up on comments that have suggested tropical storm activity is decreasing. As the article notes, “Megh is 28th Cat. 3+ TC (>= 96 kts) in the N Hem in 2015, shattering old seasonal record of 20 set in 1997 & 2014.

Reminder

While one storm is only one storm and can never substitute for a comprehensive statistical analysis, the fact remains that the link between warm seas and strong storms — the theoretical reason for believing hurricanes will worsen due to climate change — is starkly apparent in this case.

“The [sea surface temperatures] are so high over such huge areas, that the moisture flowing into the storm, that provides it primary fuel, must be higher than it has ever been before,” says Kevin Trenberth, a climate researcher at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, by e-mail. “It still requires the right setup to convert that into an intense storm, but the environment is surely ripe. That consists, of course, of a substantial El Niño-related component but also the background global warming that has a memory through the ocean heat content.”

 

[BartW]

Imagine the climate devastation that is going to occur over the next 15 years while China drags it's heals.

If only we had Donald Trump to negotiate a 'better deal'!


I expect their per capita emissions will still be significantly smaller than ours in 15 years.

 

[MG1968]

If only we had Donald Trump to negotiate a 'better deal'!


I expect their per capita emissions will still be significantly smaller than ours in 15 years.

What do you base that assessment on? In 15 years, China will still be run by the Communist Party and in 15 years, it will still have no interest in honesty.

 

[tumscalcium]

If only we had Donald Trump to negotiate a 'better deal'!


I expect their per capita emissions will still be significantly smaller than ours in 15 years.

Hey Bart, when are things supposed to get bad?

Thanks.

 

[Sandvol]

…

The Newswise article is the original press release. The Reason link was just the first story I came across. It’s been reported elsewhere as well including their pal Anthony Watts’ blog W(TF)UWT.

Now what have I told you about digging yourself into holes?

Who's digging a hole? Here is UAH's news webpage. There are no Nov. 3 press releases.

UAH - News

*Zwally

Your confirmation bias is showing, bad. Is NASA’s temperature record now ‘actual scientific fact’? What about the recent GRACE measurements? Let me guess: all observations that suggest positive mass balance for Antarctica are ‘actual scientific facts’, and all observations that indicate negative mass balance are ‘marxist propaganda’. Sound about right?

Yes, the GRACE measurements are being used as their out right? Eventually, the losses in the West will overcome the gains in the East, right? BS. Finally, a NASA scientist shows some integrity and reports the facts. We'll probably find out in the future the GRACE measurements are BS too. They were done by someone different right?

 

[BartW]

What do you base that assessment on? In 15 years, China will still be run by the Communist Party and in 15 years, it will still have no interest in honesty.

Is that yellow peril I sense?

Their per capita emissions are only a fraction of ours today and they’re investing much more in alternative energy than we are.

 

[tumscalcium]

Is that yellow peril I sense?

Their per capita emissions are only a fraction of ours today and they’re investing much more in alternative energy than we are.

So the amount of pollutants don't matter? Just the number per capita? So if we can just pop out a couple billion more people and increase emissions only a little then we'll be in the clear? The world will continue to exist?

 

[BartW]

Hey Bart, when are things supposed to get bad?

Thanks.

or as soon as tums feels AGW is affecting him personally -- i.e. probably when Obama’s Clean Power Plan goes into effect. Thanks...