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So what caused climate change in the historical sense when man wasn't around?

Direct quote from NASA:

In its Fourth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 90 percent probability that human activities over the past 250 years have warmed our planet.

The industrial activities that our modern civilization depends upon have raised atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from 280 parts per million to 379 parts per million in the last 150 years. The panel also concluded there's a better than 90 percent probability that human-produced greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have caused much of the observed increase in Earth's temperatures over the past 50 years.



Now, as far as your question to the point of what caused CC before human activity began to really pollute the Earth around 1890, I have included the official reason as given by the EPA:

The historical record shows that the climate system varies naturally over a wide range of time scales. In general, climate changes prior to the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s can be explained by natural causes, such as changes in solar energy, volcanic eruptions, and natural changes in greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations.


But these statements do not matter, because they are, of course, from government agencies that are concocting some type of conspiracy to make us all pay more for the products we need, so what's the fing point? Simple: there isn't one. I'm wasting my Sunday and I don't wanna. Peace.
 
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Direct quote from NASA:





Now, as far as your question to the point of what caused CC before human activity began to really pollute the Earth around 1890, I have included the official reason as given by the EPA:




But these statements do not matter, because they are, of course, from government agencies that are concocting some type of conspiracy to make us all pay more for the products we need, so what's the fing point? Simple: there isn't one. I'm wasting my Sunday and I don't wanna. Peace.

We done heard all that idiotic propaganda for thousands of posts. That's the thing with these geniuses. Repeat a lie often enough and long enough and hope that it sticks.
 
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That's when all the guys that think the same as you look at your article and say "I agree"

While believing that this is some clever insult, it only, once again, reveals how useless it is to discuss anything of value with you.

So, wanna talk about tits and beer? I'm always down for beer/tits discussion
 
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We done heard all that idiotic propaganda for thousands of posts. That's the thing with these geniuses. Repeat a lie often enough and long enough and hope that it sticks.

This is fantastic.

Who to trust: 99% of relevant field scientists or..

The VN brain trust, headed by infamous, scientifically challenged Sandy.

Boy, this is a doozy.
 
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You clearly have zero concept of what a peer-reviewed journal is.

The Case Against Peer Review

Problems with scientific research: How science goes wrong | The Economist

Open access is not the problem – my take on Science’s peer review “sting” « The Berkeley Blog

How Academia and Publishing are Destroying Scientific Innovation: A Conversation with Sydney Brenner | King's Review – Magazine

Problems with Peer-Review: A Brief Summary - Evolution News & Views

Point 4: Scientific dogmatists increasingly play the "peer-review card" to silence scientific dissent.
Despite the deficiencies in the peer-review system, "peer-review" serves as a rhetorical weapon, enlisted for the purpose of silencing dissenting, minority scientific viewpoints. In scientific debates, we often hear sneers like "Does your criticism appear in a peer-reviewed journal?" before it will be taken seriously. It's hypocritical when scientists push their views upon the public through non-peer reviewed venues like the media, but then try to shut down critics for responding in non-peer-reviewed venues.

Point 5: The peer-review system is often biased against non-majority viewpoints.
The peer-review system is largely devoted to maintaining the status quo. As a new scientific theory that challenges much conventional wisdom, intelligent design faces political opposition that has nothing to do with the evidence. In one case, pro-ID biochemist Michael Behe submitted an article for publication in a scientific journal but was told it could not be published because "your unorthodox theory would have to displace something that would be extending the current paradigm." Denyse O'Leary puts it this way: "The overwhelming flaw in the traditional peer review system is that it listed so heavily toward consensus that it showed little tolerance for genuinely new findings and interpretations."

What it looks like to me is that the peer review process is about as valid as the CBO's method for scoring the economic impact of legislation. Garbage in, Garbage out.
 
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While believing that this is some clever insult, it only, once again, reveals how useless it is to discuss anything of value with you.

So, wanna talk about tits and beer? I'm always down for beer/tits discussion

If you ever get your hands on either, let us know..😝
 
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I was waiting on your reply. Let's get to it shall we?

The first link:

Quote directly from the source:

Scientists give peer review so much authority because they view it as a part of the grand tradition of scientific inquiry—an extension, even, of the formal experimental method. Peer evaluation is the endpoint of a cautious progression from theories and predictions to experiments and results. The system dates from the 1700s, when the Royal Society of London set up a "Committee on Papers" with the power to solicit expert opinions. It became the standard for scientific publication only after World War II, when the dramatic expansion of scientific research swamped journal editors and made them look to outsiders for help. Ever since, scientists have claimed that peer review filters out lousy papers, faulty experiments, and irrelevant findings.

The process isn't perfect, as your wonderful link explains by giving the example of the 'power of prayer in healing patients', but it's the best way for academics to publish ground breaking research to their fields. DNA Molecular structure: peer reviewed. AIDS research: peer reviewed Chemotherapy breakthrough: peer reviewed. And I could go on and on and on. But since there are bad things in peer review means the whole thing is discredited, duh. I mean f*** the Catholic church and the good they do because they had some priests who molested children. Yeah!

Second link:

Quoted directly from the source:

The most enlightened journals are already becoming less averse to humdrum papers. Some government funding agencies, including America’s National Institutes of Health, which dish out $30 billion on research each year, are working out how best to encourage replication. And growing numbers of scientists, especially young ones, understand statistics. But these trends need to go much further. Journals should allocate space for “uninteresting” work, and grant-givers should set aside money to pay for it. Peer review should be tightened—or perhaps dispensed with altogether, in favour of post-publication evaluation in the form of appended comments. That system has worked well in recent years in physics and mathematics. Lastly, policymakers should ensure that institutions using public money also respect the rules.

Most researchers today are handing off the research to greater statistical minds for verification. That were many of the errors occurred in the past: statistics. That's one of the main causes from this article. The problem has been diagnosed and the community is working hard to fix it. Garbage in and garbage out you say? No. Garbage in perhaps, but the process is only getting better at making sure garbage doesn't come out.

Third Link:

Quote from the source:

My sting exposed the seedy underside of “subscription-based” scholarly publishing, where some journals routinely lower their standards – in this case by sending the paper to reviewers they knew would be sympathetic – in order to pump up their impact factor and increase subscription revenue. Maybe there are journals out there who do subscription-based publishing right – but my experience should serve as a warning to people thinking about submitting their work to Science and other journals like it.

Do you get your news from the National Enquirer? What about Inside Edition? To say that all peer-reviewed journals are the same is such BS, and that's the point of the author that you cited: some journals are only doing it for the money, not the actual science. Guess what? And this is gonna be awesome for you: of those 10,800 CC studies that were done with only 2 that said CC wasn't man-made, 90% of them were published in journals or a considerably high reputation. Ouch, I know.

Fourth Link:

SB: I think there was a time, and I’m trying to trace the history when the rights to publish, the copyright, was owned jointly by the authors and the journal. Somehow that’s why the journals insist they will not publish your paper unless you sign that copyright over. It is never stated in the invitation, but that’s what you sell in order to publish. And everybody works for these journals for nothing. There’s no compensation. There’s nothing. They get everything free. They just have to employ a lot of failed scientists, editors who are just like the people at Homeland Security, little power grabbers in their own sphere.

Yet another link you presented that is not against peer-reviewed journals but against those journals that are trying to make money off the authors. The system is changing, right now, because awareness is being raised about the problem: the journals don't care about quality, only about quantity. Good thing real researchers know the difference in these journals, right? Kinda like you know the difference between the BBC and MTV.

Fifth Link:

Groundbreaking scientific books, like Darwin's Origin of the Species or Newton's Principia were not published in peer-reviewed journals.

No $hit there weren't the mechanisms around for journals at that point.

There are many examples of leading journals like Nature and Science having rejected important research, including research that later won the Nobel prize.

I never said that peer reviewed journals were perfect, only that they are the best way to get the cutting edge idea of academia today. Mistakes happen, and I will never say that the process is completely flawless.


So you are correct in a way: there is garbage in, garbage out on a frequent basis, and it just so happens to occur when I see another post from you.
 
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I'll go back to point 4 of the last link. You and Bart both use "peer review" as a means to stop debate. It's like LG calling the Tea Party "racist" when he has no other response to make.
 
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One study say this, the other that. Blah blah blah. Somebody's making money off of it, and it ain't none of us. /thread
 
The problem with peer review isn't that it is too rigorous or exclusionary, it is that it has back doors and isn't exclusionary enough in terms of selecting quality research. Makes you wonder why such a low hurdle is so difficult for denialists to get published regularly in major journals... Because again, the majority links and sources discussed here are saying the opposite of it being exclusionary, thus it isn't "stopping debate" in itself but rather indicating the lack of one by it's absence.
 
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If it was a problem all the other scientists would be freaking out too. My neighbor is a PHD in chemical engendering and says the guys who go into climate science have an agenda going in to the field so it's not surprising that they get the results they get. It's the only field where over 90% agree with the findings and everyone else says.........meh.

That's funny. I have one of those too and it's laughable to assert that even a healthy fraction of 'the others' go meh. I don't know if they're running around chicken little on the doom and gloom but they're also not widely disagreeing with the basics.
 
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It does honestly have its problems. I don't think those manifest into grandiose coverups. But they can slow progress by not pushing the frontier hard enough. They can also allow less than the best work through because of who wrote it or various other reasons.

I do think that too much of climate science has it's back to the wall or the wagons circled. It hurts scientific progress. Everything has to be so carefully packaged because there are people waiting to prounce on the smallest thing. So rather than being it up I could see some holding their tounge. That's bad for the field. I can't say with any facts that this is happening, but from a distance I could see it.
 
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While believing that this is some clever insult, it only, once again, reveals how useless it is to discuss anything of value with you.

So, wanna talk about tits and beer? I'm always down for beer/tits discussion

Something tells me that discussing tits with you would be like discussing 3D visuals with Jose Feliciano
 
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Some BartW math:

10 scientists that all get paid to produce man made climate change "stuff" X 100 papers each reviewed by a panel of 5 "people that consider themselves peers = 1000 peer reviewed papers actually looked at by 6 people each.
 
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Some BartW math:

10 scientists that all get paid to produce man made climate change "stuff" X 100 papers each reviewed by a panel of 5 "people that consider themselves peers = 1000 peer reviewed papers actually looked at by 6 people each.

That probably isn't too far from the truth.
 

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