Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Why are y'all suddenly throwing around ozone depletion as some sort of "gotcha" against science? The ozone issue was not a fake scare. We signed a successful international treaty to phase out CFCs (and now many of their successors). The ozone hole still exists and is recovering.

Just because you personally haven't thought about ozone depletion in 25 years doesn't mean it stopped existing.

I believe it fits pretty well into the fake scare, alarmists propaganda. What about all those predictions from around the time of "an convenient truth". How many of those no polar bear, coastal cities under water have come true?

 

[Sandvol]

I wish I had been paying attention back then so I could have been labeled an Ozone Depletion Denier.

 

[1972 Grad]

I believe it fits pretty well into the fake scare, alarmists propaganda. What about all those predictions from around the time of "an convenient truth". How many of those no polar bear, coastal cities under water have come true?

There aren't any polar bears at Myrtle Beach.

 

[Sandvol]

The problem the environmental whackos are having now is a whole lot more people are clued in to what is going on.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Omg look at this 75 year sea level chart of San Fran Bay. We must stop this sea level rise

 

[Mtntrout]

I've been gone a day or so. Do people really think the ozone stuff isn't true? Are they unaware of the Montreal Protocol? I'm not sure how someone can be so ignorant and yet so vocal.

 

[Sandvol]

In 1977 it was 6860mm and in 2014 it was 7025mm so it has risen 165mm in 37 years. We're in trouble.

 

[mrorange211]

i believe it fits pretty well into the fake scare, alarmists propaganda. What about all those predictions from around the time of "an convenient truth". How many of those no polar bear, coastal cities under water have come true?

you have no idea what you are talking about thus making yourself look idiotic

perhaps that font is big enough to finally get it through your thick head.

I've been gone a day or so. Do people really think the ozone stuff isn't true? Are they unaware of the Montreal Protocol? I'm not sure how someone can be so ignorant and yet so vocal.

It's a freaking disease man.

 

[Sandvol]

I've been gone a day or so. Do people really think the ozone stuff isn't true? Are they unaware of the Montreal Protocol? I'm not sure how someone can be so ignorant and yet so vocal.

The Montreal Protocol is absolute proof the ozone scare was real.

 

[Mtntrout]

Omg look at this 75 year sea level chart of San Fran Bay. We must stop this sea level rise

isostatic vs eustatic sea level change. Look it up. If you want good BS propaganda material for zippy posts that will get you a bunch of upvotes from fellow ignorant people, try coastal towns in Alaska, like Sitka. Sea level is falling there due to isostatic changes from plate tectonics. Then you'll really show those dumb scientists.

 

[Sandvol]

you have no idea what you are talking about thus making yourself look idiotic

perhaps that font is big enough to finally get it through your thick head.



It's a freaking disease man.

He's talking about "An Inconvenient Truth", polar bears, coastal cities, and water. Are those difficult concepts?

 

[Sandvol]

isostatic vs eustatic sea level change. Look it up. If you want good BS propaganda material for zippy posts that will get you a bunch of upvotes from fellow ignorant people, try coastal towns in Alaska, like Sitka. Sea level is falling there due to isostatic changes from plate tectonics. Then you'll really show those dumb scientists.

Did you google that? Be honest.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

you have no idea what you are talking about thus making yourself look idiotic

perhaps that font is big enough to finally get it through your thick head.



It's a freaking disease man.

Which ozone doomsday scenario actually played out?

 

[mrorange211]

Which ozone doomsday scenario actually played out?

On a yearly basis, how much oil (by liters) do you dump into the ground around your property? That's what you sound like.

 

[Mtntrout]

The Montreal Protocol is absolute proof the ozone scare was real.

Is real, not was. The hole isn't gone, and it has only been contracting for the last decade or so. This is measurable and observable.

Also, it is chemistry. I'm not sure how one can say it isn't real without going full-blown fantasyland about it. I mean, why don't you think it is real? Do you take measurements in the stratosphere over Antarctica?

 

[Sandvol]

So if I throw a big rock in the ocean is that eustatic or isostatic?

 

[Sandvol]

Is real, not was. The hole isn't gone, and it has only been contracting for the last decade or so. This is measurable and observable.

Also, it is chemistry. I'm not sure how one can say it isn't real without going full-blown fantasyland about it. I mean, why don't you think it is real? Do you take measurements in the stratosphere over Antarctica?

What is chemistry?

 

[Mtntrout]

Which ozone doomsday scenario actually played out?

Well,

Ozone Hole Over City for First Time - ABC News

NASA - Ozone Depletion a Bigger Deal Down Under

for example. 5 minute sunburns, ozone hole alert days, etc are reality in the higher latitudes of the southern hemisphere.

All because you don't know anything about something doesn't mean it isn't real. I don't know much about car engines, but I don't reject the owner's manual, mechanical advice, or maintenance guidelines.

 

[Sandvol]

Well,

Ozone Hole Over City for First Time - ABC News

NASA - Ozone Depletion a Bigger Deal Down Under

for example. 5 minute sunburns, ozone hole alert days, etc are reality in the higher latitudes of the southern hemisphere.

All because you don't know anything about something doesn't mean it isn't real. I don't know much about car engines, but I don't reject the owner's manual, mechanical advice, or maintenance guidelines.

Isn't NASA that same organization who uses the BS GISS data? You really have a lot of faith in government don't you?

 

[Mtntrout]

What is chemistry?

That chlorofluorocarbons are a synthetic molecule that accumulate at the poles (particularly the southern pole) due to global circulation patterns, and only break down due to UV rays. As they break down they release a chlorine atom, which reacts with existing ozone to continuously decouple the three-oxygen ozone molecules at a rate greater than UV radiation forms them. It's chemistry that can be duplicated and demonstrated.

 

[Mtntrout]

Isn't NASA that same organization who uses the BS GISS data? You really have a lot of faith in government don't you?

Is everything you don't know about BS?

 

[mrorange211]

It's hopeless. It's fing hopeless.

 

[Sandvol]

That chlorofluorocarbons are a synthetic molecule that accumulate at the poles (particularly the southern pole) due to global circulation patterns, and only break down due to UV rays. As they break down they release a chlorine atom, which reacts with existing ozone to continuously decouple the three oxygen molecules at a rate greater than UV radiation forms them. It's chemistry that can be duplicated and demonstrated.

So they break down and release a chlorine atom? Isn't chlorine all in the atmosphere naturally anyway?

 

[Mtntrout]

Isn't NASA that same organization who uses the BS GISS data? You really have a lot of faith in government don't you?

Are the 5 minute sunburns and higher skin cancer rates part of the conspiracy too? You can visit these places you know. They're real places.

 

[Sandvol]

Is everything you don't know about BS?

I do know about GISS data. It is crap data.