Official Global Warming thread (merged)

#3,926
#3,926
govols/cc said:
The problem is the US is only part of planet earth. While we stifle our economy other nations are sticking their middle finger up at us and reaping the rewards
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Even if we're the largest consumers of nonrenewable resources and one of the largest polluters?

I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning to keep polluting our airways and waterways, just because everyone else is doing it. As world leaders we should set an example, no? Selfish dicks. Should have never stuck my head in here, now I'm all pissed off.
 
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#3,927
VOLatile said:
Even if we're the largest consumers of nonrenewable resources and one of the largest polluters?

I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning to keep polluting our airways and waterways, just because everyone else is doing it. As world leaders we should set an example, no? Selfish dicks. Should have never stuck my head in here, now I'm all pissed off.
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Can we introduce you to China. You apparently don't know her.

And there is the rub. Just how many areas do you think we still lead the world?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Quick question:

If global warming wasn't politicized like it is today and if it didn't siphon millions upon millions of dollars from the economy, would it change your stance? If Al Gore wasn't the face of the movement, but a group of scientists were instead, would it change your opinion?
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Not on man made GW. I believe the earth could very well be in a warming cycle, the Al Gores of the world have politicized and profited from it.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Quick question:

If global warming wasn't politicized like it is today and if it didn't siphon millions upon millions of dollars from the economy, would it change your stance? If Al Gore wasn't the face of the movement, but a group of scientists were instead, would it change your opinion?
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Civilizations thrive during these periods of warming. Plants grow. People can eat. All of modern civilization has occurred during an interglacial. Let's keep producing more CO2 and hope it has an effect and hope it stays warm. However, I don't think we have the ability to affect the temperature.
 
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Sitting in my office here in Central Florida it is pouring rain like I haven't seen since the '04 hurricanes. Maybe worse. This is that storm that is making its way up the Eastern Seaboard, and if the moisture stays this strong, they are going to get whalloped from DC to Maine.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Quick question:

If global warming wasn't politicized like it is today and if it didn't siphon millions upon millions of dollars from the economy, would it change your stance? If Al Gore wasn't the face of the movement, but a group of scientists were instead, would it change your opinion?
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It's a valid question but tough to answer.

I consider myself in the "luke warmist" group. I believe AGW but am skeptical of the extreme predictions and models that have been problematic in matching conditions.

Where I become more skeptical is the response by some that the data we are seeing must be explained away to fit the earlier models rather than adjusting the underlying assumptions of the models.

The other source of skepticism is the cascade of other effects of what might happen as we warm. These predicted changes are increasingly removed from yet dependent on the same underlying assumptions that deserve review.

Clearly the politicization breeds some of this skepticism and there has been bad behavior on all sides of this issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sitting in my office here in Central Florida it is pouring rain like I haven't seen since the '04 hurricanes. Maybe worse. This is that storm that is making its way up the Eastern Seaboard, and if the moisture stays this strong, they are going to get whalloped from DC to Maine.
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This is from local paper taken this morning. Imagine that as snow.
 
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Sandvol said:
Civilizations thrive during these periods of warming. Plants grow. People can eat. All of modern civilization has occurred during an interglacial. Let's keep producing more CO2 and hope it has an effect and hope it stays warm. However, I don't think we have the ability to affect the temperature.
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They thrive? Do you have evidence to support that claim? Because we're currently in the middle of the 6th, and largest, mass extinction event. Species are dying at unprecedented rates. I can't say that that's all man-made, but there's an undeniable amount caused by pollution and deforestation, among other factors. Humans are the only species on earth that are "thriving" and we'll eventually meet the carrying capacity and begin a decline. Maybe not in the near future, but it'll happen.
 
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VOLatile said:
They thrive? Do you have evidence to support that claim? Because we're currently in the middle of the 6th, and largest, mass extinction event. Species are dying at unprecedented rates. I can't say that that's all man-made, but there's an undeniable amount caused by pollution and deforestation, among other factors. Humans are the only species on earth that are "thriving" and we'll eventually meet the carrying capacity and begin a decline. Maybe not in the near future, but it'll happen.
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And that is mother nature just working itself out, like it always does.
 
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LouderVol said:
And that is mother nature just working itself out, like it always does.
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Yes, and the human race will suffer as a result. Our impact can be minimized, at least. By saying, "Oh well it always happens this way," you essentially relinquish any and all responsibility. You'll continue wasting natural resources with no consideration for future generations and leave them with nothing without finding alternatives to what you've used up.
 
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VOLatile said:
Yes, and the human race will suffer as a result. Our impact can be minimized, at least. By saying, "Oh well it always happens this way," you essentially relinquish any and all responsibility. You'll continue wasting natural resources with no consideration for future generations and leave them with nothing without finding alternatives to what you've used up.
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who is doing this now? It certainly isn't the US, Canada and a majority of Europe.
 
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VOLatile said:
Yes, and the human race will suffer as a result. Our impact can be minimized, at least. By saying, "Oh well it always happens this way," you essentially relinquish any and all responsibility. You'll continue wasting natural resources with no consideration for future generations and leave them with nothing without finding alternatives to what you've used up.
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hahahahahahaha, you are barking up the wrong tree here friend. as an almost architect I almost daily argue the benefits/how to of lowering energy usage, or deal with specs that deal with such.

my point is that there will always be a critical mass, doesn't matter if it is 2000 years earlier than it should or 2000 years after, it will still happen. and as I tried to explain above, personally, I want to push it back as far as I can. and i do want to leave a better world behind for my future kids, but I will do that by adapting to change rather than trying to stop the change.
 
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VOLatile said:
Yes, and the human race will suffer as a result. Our impact can be minimized, at least. By saying, "Oh well it always happens this way," you essentially relinquish any and all responsibility. You'll continue wasting natural resources with no consideration for future generations and leave them with nothing without finding alternatives to what you've used up.
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I'm not really concerned about future generations. Necessity will lead to innovation, they'll figure it out just like all have.
 
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TSwafford said:
The colder winters britain has been experiencing are due to global warming according to these scientists
Global warming 'will give Britain longer, colder winters' as melting sea ice plays havoc with weather patterns | Mail Online


A few years ago Global Warming scientists were saying the oposite:
Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

does anybody actually believe the global warming garbage, except the people that are making billions from this myth? LOL
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I don't believe in manmade global warming, but just to be safe, I wont be buying any homes on the coasts where the ocean levels are rising. :)

I'm pretty sure ice was melting long before cars and factories were produced so I'd say it's just mother earth doing her thing and not worrying too much about us. Just waiting to hand us our next ice age.
 
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VOLatile said:
So what exactly did he do that was scientifically fraudulent? Did he falsify data? Publish unethical papers?

Seems like he's just a #fraud. You're reaching just because he worked for the EPA.
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@kerpen: Health benefit claims for ozone rule come from the same two secret studies pioneered by John Beale in 1997. He is now in jail for fraud.
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There is a EPA ozone rule being announced and the health benefits cited for the rule come from this guy. This guy claimed he has a CIA spy. Do you think we should be taking his work seriously? I dont
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
There is a EPA ozone rule being announced and the health benefits cited for the rule come from this guy. This guy claimed he has a CIA spy. Do you think we should be taking his work seriously? I dont
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Possibly. His work should of course be reviewed. Don't count out his body of work because he was a jagoff and lied in order to get extra days off.
 
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VOLatile said:
Possibly. His work should of course be reviewed. Don't count out his body of work because he was a jagoff and lied in order to get extra days off.
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The guy took more than a couple of days off. He disappeared for months at a time and was the highest paid person at the EPA. He belongs in a loony bin after getting out of jail
 
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VOLatile said:
They thrive? Do you have evidence to support that claim? Because we're currently in the middle of the 6th, and largest, mass extinction event. Species are dying at unprecedented rates. I can't say that that's all man-made, but there's an undeniable amount caused by pollution and deforestation, among other factors. Humans are the only species on earth that are "thriving" and we'll eventually meet the carrying capacity and begin a decline. Maybe not in the near future, but it'll happen.
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So, you think they thrive during a glacial period? Do you have any evidence to support that?
 
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