Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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Obsessed said:
Do China's top scientist believe in global warming?

( honest question)
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Yes.

hog88 said:
So again you fail to address the China's and India's of the world and how we would get them to enforce the same rules you want enforced on us.
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That's also been discussed in the referenced pages. It's a worthy question. We need an intelligent president with some balls that's not afraid to swing them around (but not a dimwit cowboy like W or nut like Putin). It's worth pointing out that China has a cap and trade system in place and India has a carbon tax. Neither are where they need to be, but they're doing more than the US.

India isn't as steadfast about slowing global action as the US, China, and Russia. None of those countries will implement major carbon legislation without the others.


Here is a good thorough description of China's position on global warming:

China's Views on Climate Change
 
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hog88 said:
The whole man made global warming cult is just another wealth redistribution scheme. Biggest difference is the wealth is being redistributed up.
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Y'all still haven't tried explaining any specifics of your conspiracy theory. Where is the money coming from? Where is it going? Who? How? Why? Do you have anything other than vague rumors that "they" or "the man" are out to get you? Are all the businesses and conservative politicians and economists I've listed in on it too?

Obsessed said:
Exactly. Bart is a conspiracy theorist and didn't even know it.
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The only conspiracy going on is the well-documented flow of cash from conservative billionaires and fossil fuel companies (especially Koch and Exxon, until recently*) to notorious denialist thinktanks like the Heartland Institute.

Conservative groups spend up to $1bn a year to fight action on climate change
Institutionalizing delay: foundation funding and the creation of U.S. climate change counter-movement organizations
Did ExxonMobil Break Its Promise To Stop Funding Climate Change Deniers?
Climate Denier Funding: Where Exxon Left Off, Coal and Others Take Over
Koch Brothers Exposed: Fueling Climate Denial and Privatizing Democracy
Report: Koch Industries outspends Exxon Mobil on climate and clean energy disinformation
Not Just the Koch Brothers: New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort

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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah..maybe a million scientists believe in your theory so it must be true.

Billions of people believe in Christ...many enough to die for it. No way that's true though right?

You keep your belief system and ill keep mine. Both require that one believes in things they cannot see... science and Christianity are certainly not mutually exclusive. That's a farce like your shrub hugging scheme.
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Oh. My. Gawd.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
16 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True

Bart just because you want to call something a "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean it cannot be true.
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Bahahaha could you have picked a more retarded list of ‘true conspiracies’? Most aren’t even conspiracy theories to begin with. Pro wrestling is fake? Texas is running out of water?

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Lots of moon landing hoaxers in the comments too. Really BOT?

For the record, I never said conspiracy theories cannot be true. In fact I discuss a very real conspiracy two posts above yours. And from earlier posts:

BartW said:
While conspiracy theories cannot simply be dismissed because conspiracies do occur, it beggars belief that they can encompass entire scientific communities.
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BartW said:
This is not to say that real conspiracies never occur, but the assertion of a conspiracy in the absence of evidence (or by tying together weakly correlated and nonsensical data) is usually the sign of a crackpot. Belief in the Illuminati, Zionist conspiracies, 9/11 conspiracies, holocaust denial conspiracies, materialist atheist evolution conspiracies, global warming science conspiracies, UFO government conspiracies, pharmaceutical companies suppressing altie-med conspiracies, or what have you, it almost always rests upon some unnatural suspension of disbelief in the conspiracy theorist that is the sign of a truly weak mind. Hence, our graphic to denote the presence of these arguments – the tinfoil hat.
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BartW said:
There actually is a conspiracy surrounding climate change, and it's not what you'll hear from most conspiracy theorists: between 2003 and 2010, more than $7 billion were spent by conservative billionaires to fund anti-AGW organizations such as the Heritage Foundation, the Heartland Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Follow the money, indeed.
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I’m not mocking you for being conspiracy theorists per se. I’m mocking you because your ‘theory’ is poorly thought out and frankly, absurd. You can't give me any specifics, just that "the man" is out to get you. It's laughable
 
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Study Reveals Half of Americans Buy Into Medical Conspiracy Theories

Derp

They were also able to determine that those with high belief in pseudoscience ideals were more likely to reject the advice of medical professionals and instead turn to alternative medicine and celebrities such as Dr. Oz and—ugh—Jenny McCarthy when seeking treatments for themselves and their families. The high conspiracists were more likely to reject the use of sunscreen and refuse seasonal flu shots. Around 80% of those who were more willing to trust an alternative source than a medical professional stated they believed at least one of the theories. This group is also more likely to purchase organic produce at a local farmer’s market (not that buying local is bad at all).

While some of these conspiracy theories might have originated in a place of valid concern, they have been thoroughly debunked. It is hard to tell exactly why some people choose to buy into theories that aren’t accepted by the scientific community, but it is likely connected to an ignorance of the scientific method and distrust of large corporations, for whatever reason.

For the most part, everyone wants to do right by their health and that of their children, but rejecting advances in medicine due to being scared of something they don’t understand is a bad advice. It always strikes me as a bit funny that those who reject mainstream medicine because they have “done their research” have typically just read a bunch of crap on the internet and haven’t, you know, taken a class in organic or biochemistry.
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BartW said:
Study Reveals Half of Americans Buy Into Medical Conspiracy Theories

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I am in the medical field. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you think some of these "medical conspiracies" are not true then continue to drink the kool aid. Unfortunately healthcare is a business and that means huge profits. Like I have said you seem to be a typical government sheep. You probably believe everything it tells you. Your most convenient excuse for people who believe a different way or question what has been fed to call them conspiracy theorists.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I am in the medical field. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you think some of these "medical conspiracies" are not true then continue to drink the kool aid. Unfortunately healthcare is a business and that means huge profits. Like I have said you seem to be a typical government sheep. You probably believe everything it tells you. Your most convenient excuse for people who believe a different way or question what has been fed to call them conspiracy theorists.
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So you think vaccines cause autism? HIV doesn't cause AIDS? How do you feel about the moon landing?
 
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BartW said:
So you think vaccines cause autism? HIV doesn't cause AIDS? How do you feel about the moon landing?
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What is your degree and how does it contribute to society Bart?

Just curious to see if the shtf tommorrow would we keep you or not.
 
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BartW said:
So you think vaccines cause autism? HIV doesn't cause AIDS? How do you feel about the moon landing?
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Vaccines can be a cause of autism. Not in all cases but to say they cannot is a fallacy. HIV can cause AIDS. There is also non-HIV AIDS. The moon landing was absolutely real. You're under the false assumption that just because someone believes one conspiracy theory they believe them all. You're so wrong. Keep believing that you know everything.

It's also funny that links others put up are somehow inaccurate or laughable. Yet because you think your links are better or more accurate then they have to be correct.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yeah..maybe a million scientists believe in your theory so it must be true.

Billions of people believe in Christ...many enough to die for it. No way that's true though right?

You keep your belief system and ill keep mine. Both require that one believes in things they cannot see... science and Christianity are certainly not mutually exclusive. That's a farce like your shrub hugging scheme.
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So you set up your first two paragraphs suggesting the two are mutually exclusive then pull the great switcheroo in the third paragraph once you realize what you said sounds horrible. I guess that's with something.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Vaccines can be a cause of autism. Not in all cases but to say they cannot is a fallacy. HIV can cause AIDS. There is also non-HIV AIDS. The moon landing was absolutely real. You're under the false assumption that just because someone believes one conspiracy theory they believe them all. You're so wrong. Keep believing that you know everything.

It's also funny that links others put up are somehow inaccurate or laughable. Yet because you think your links are better or more accurate then they have to be correct.
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I think it is highly questionable to suggest vaccines can cause autism.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You're under the false assumption that just because someone believes one conspiracy theory they believe them all. You're so wrong.
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HIV/AIDS and vaccines are two of the common medical conspiracies from that link, to which you replied:
BigOrangeTrain said:
If you think some of these "medical conspiracies" are not true then continue to drink the kool aid.
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Also your link had comments from a bunch of moon landing hoaxers. Studies, common sense, this thread, even your posts show how people that believe one conspiracy theory are more likely to believe others.

Obsessed said:
What is your degree and how does it contribute to society Bart?
Just curious to see if the shtf tommorrow would we keep you or not.
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B.S. in geology, physics (astronomy concentration), and a math minor from UT, M.S. in applied geosciences from UW. I have a temporary position doing soil sampling for a junior exploration company. When I finish my grad degree I plan to do exploration geophysics (for mining) or geologic consulting (for civil engineering projects, landslides, and other geologic hazards). If shtf I'll manage.

govols/cc said:
Bart you want people to care so bad.........but we don't.
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It’s obvious you don’t care. It’s also obvious you’re morons. The vaccine conspiracy theory?! DDT? Ozone? Acid rain? Evolution? Y’all are a hoot

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BartW said:
HIV/AIDS and vaccines are two of the common medical conspiracies from that link, to which you replied:

Also your link had comments from a bunch of moon landing hoaxers. Studies, common sense, this thread, even your posts show how people that believe one conspiracy theory are more likely to believe others.


B.S. in geology, physics (astronomy concentration), and a math minor from UT, M.S. in applied geosciences from UW. I have a temporary position doing soil sampling for a junior exploration company. When I finish my grad degree I plan to do exploration geophysics (for mining) or geologic consulting (for civil engineering projects, landslides, and other geologic hazards). If shtf I'll manage.


It’s obvious you don’t care. It’s also obvious you’re morons. The vaccine conspiracy theory?! DDT? Ozone? Acid rain? Evolution? Y’all are a hoot

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Only a moron would put in the time to post countless memes & use a tin foil hat reference on others when it applies to him.
 
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Earthquake in California! Quick libs..Climate Change? Global Cooling? Global Warming? Cow Flatulence? Jesus? Allah? Or...plain old nature?
 
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