Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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BartW said:
Ok Mr. Pigou

It's not as sexy as British Columbia's successful carbon tax, which is fully revenue neutral, but Alberta's plan ain't half bad. It's better than ours...
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Except the statists gain more power and decide who the winners and losers are. And, that's what this is all about.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Oh no! Can this be true?

GLOBAL WARMING? NASA says Antarctic has been COOLING for past SIX years | Science | News | Daily Express
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That's not what NASA's press release says:
In total, the southern campaign completed 16 research flights totaling 172 hours. IceBridge South achieved extensive areal coverage from Marie Byrd Land to the Antarctic Peninsula, including the fast-changing Pine Island and Thwaites areas as well as the Bellingshausen and Weddell Seas. Over 58,000 square miles (150,000 square kilometers) of land and sea ice were surveyed, the largest survey by area achieved by Icebridge.

During one flight in the Peninsula that mapped the drainage area of several glaciers, LVIS measured a drop of more than 490 feet (150 meters) in the height of two glaciers since IceBridge last plotted them, in 2009. Both glaciers, called Green and Hektoria, were tributaries to the Larsen B ice shelf, which disintegrated in 2002. After the ice shelf collapsed, it stopped buttressing the glaciers that fed it, and glacier elevations have fallen dramatically since then.

A study published in 2012 showed average elevation losses of up to 82 feet (25 meters) per year for the lower Green and Hektoria glaciers from 2006 to 2011. So IceBridge's discovery that both are still losing ice fast many years after the loss of the adjacent ice shelf is "not all that surprising given what we have observed with other sensors," said Christopher Shuman, a University of Maryland, Baltimore County glaciologist working at Goddard and co-author of the 2012 report.

"Field data suggests that there's been a modest cooling in the area over the 2009-2015 time period, and images collected during that time by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer on the Terra and Aqua satellites show more persistent fast ice [sea ice that is attached to the shore] in the Larsen A and Larsen B embayments" Shuman said. "These IceBridge measurements show that once the ice shelves collapse, even some cooling and a good deal of persistent sea ice is not able to hold back these larger glaciers and they continue to lose mass overall."
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Clearly when he says "there's been modest cooling in the area" he's referring to that specific study area, and not the entire continent of Antarctica. Antarctica's area is over 5.4 million square miles, so at most this study surveyed about 1% of Antarctica. The scientists' point is that, even though the local temperature has cooled, these particular glaciers are still melting at a high rate due to collapse of the local ice shelves.

Your article is rather misleading.
 
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MG1968 said:
If it's such a great idea, why are they waiting until 2017?
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They’re Canadian? I don't know but if that's your primary concern it must be a pretty good plan :)

Our plan is such a great idea that we extended the compliance date from 2020 to 2022.
 
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Sandvol said:
Yes, I don't know where that came from. Their latest report is the September report published here on their website:

Global Temperature Report :: UAHuntsville


The above statement is kind of from the August report-at least closer to what he said. They don't quote him verbatim but add their own words to his quote.
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Sandvol said:
No, what I was saying is whomever was taking quotes out of context. Not necessarily you but some of your liberal comrades in the media. And, that wasn't written by Christy. The article supposedly quoted him. I said I'll give you that one and assume they quoted him accurately. Still awaiting his report.
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Check your link. The October report is up…
 
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BartW said:
That's not what NASA's press release says:

Clearly when he says "there's been modest cooling in the area" he's referring to that specific study area, and not the entire continent of Antarctica. Antarctica's area is over 5.4 million square miles, so at most this study surveyed about 1% of Antarctica. The scientists' point is that, even though the local temperature has cooled, these particular glaciers are still melting at a high rate due to collapse of the local ice shelves.

Your article is rather misleading.
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The article also said :

the last few weeks NASA has revealed the overall amount of ice has increased at the Antarctic and the amount of sea ice has also extended.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
The article also said :

the last few weeks NASA has revealed the overall amount of ice has increased at the Antarctic and the amount of sea ice has also extended.
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Well we've already established that the author of that article is confused at best. Antarctic sea ice is actually down this year; SandVol would call it a trend change. Whether Antarctica's continental ice is increasing or decreasing overall is debatable (and discussed a few pages back). Either way, that headline is incorrect.
So, confusingly, the new details of further glacial melt have fuelled those who believe we are causing global warming and polar ice melt.

At the Arctic north pole, the project collected much needed measurements of the status of land and sea ice at the end of the Arctic summer melt season.

The results of these have yet to be published, but the whole issue is set to be debated in full at a clime change conference in Paris later this month.
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And the conclusion is derpy too. No, Jon Austin, this is not what's being debated at the Paris climate conference.
 
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BartW said:
They’re Canadian? I don't know but if that's your primary concern it must be a pretty good plan :)

Our plan is such a great idea that we extended the compliance date from 2020 to 2022.
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Did you even understand my question?
 
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BartW said:
The Paris summit is underway!

Bill Gates unveils massive green-energy plan at start of climate talks

France bows to Obama and backs down on climate ‘treaty’
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Hundreds of extra jumbo jets flying into and out of Paris. Hundreds of gas and diesel powered limousines sitting idling for hours when they're not whisking some political dignitary or climate hack to some 5 star restaurant to meet with their companion for the night.

Yeah, they really give a rat's ass about the climate.
 
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Utah Geological Survey | Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them?

What is an ice age? An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when glaciers retreat (called interglacials or interglacial cycles) and colder temperatures when glaciers advance (called glacials or glacial cycles).
 
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And France is cutting back on nuclear, so whatever treaty they planned on signing would be so full of loopholes and bs that it would be worthless.
 
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Why did they change the name from global warming to climate change?

Could it be that they were exposed as a bunch of liars?

Also, doesn't CO2 help plants and trees produce oxygen? I'm proud that all my exhaling carbon dioxide helped plants and trees grow in a way that helps our ecosystem.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Why did they change the name from global warming to climate change?

Could it be that they were exposed as a bunch of liars?

Also, doesn't CO2 help plants and trees produce oxygen? I'm proud that all my exhaling carbon dioxide helped plants and trees grow in a way that helps our ecosystem.
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Yes. "They" have no idea what they're talking about.
 
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0bama threw out the "fish are swimming in the streets of Miami" line even though the weather channel has already debunked this.
 
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