Official Global Warming thread (merged)

[MG1968]

Then they don't know what they're talking about. Probably oil company geologists who are thinking in terms irrelevant to the last few hundred thousand years, ecology, or the impact on civilization.

Oil company geologists. Tell me I'm wrong.
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ah, more "hired guns" for you to deride

 

[IPorange]

ah, more "hired guns" for you to deride

It's like gore pushing carbon credits. The motivation is obvious.
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[overseasorange2]

Then they don't know what they're talking about. Probably oil company geologists who are thinking in terms irrelevant to the last few hundred thousand years, ecology, or the impact on civilization.

Oil company geologists. Tell me I'm wrong.
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I don't know, I am guessing that you are a graduate student. If so, my credentials are much higher and respected than yours, as far as a professional that studies the earth. If you list yours, I'll do the same. All I know is that you are the self proclaimed internet expert on the study of the earthlol:lol:lol: I doubt you were born when I was in graduate school.:good!:

 

[overseasorange2]

Then they are not fully informed of the problem nor the paleoclimatic record.

AND YOUR ARE?lol:lol:lol:lol:

 

[overseasorange2]

When I was in graduate school, the top 25% of the graduates went to the oil companies(Obviously they paid the best), then the next 25% went to the environmental firms, then the next 25% went to the government and the final 25 % went to academia. There were exceptions, but very few. So, in general, the oil companies always got the most promising geoscientists. But wow we are not qualified to give our opinion on AGW. Not as qualified as an internet expert

 

[KentheOrange]

Then they don't know what they're talking about. Probably oil company geologists who are thinking in terms irrelevant to the last few hundred thousand years, ecology, or the impact on civilization.

Oil company geologists. Tell me I'm wrong.
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Climatologists looking for funding. Tell me I'm wrong.

 

[VOLatile]

I may be wrong, but doesn't TennTradition work in the oil area? He backs AGW.
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[BeecherVol]

I may be wrong, but doesn't TennTradition work in the oil area? He backs AGW.
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I think that is accurate.

 

[gsvol]

GS- are you saving Eisenhowers words directly warning about the military-industrial complex for another thread? I figure his words warning about resource utilization (and not mortaging our grandchildrens livlihood for our own current comfort) will also pop up later today as well.

I agree that Eisenhower was a sharp guy. And, this is a very famous and good speech.
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What about Ronny?

I can't remember anything Ronnie said, he had alzheimers you know.

I don't know, I am guessing that you are a graduate student. If so, my credentials are much higher and respected than yours, as far as a professional that studies the earth. If you list yours, I'll do the same. All I know is that you are the self proclaimed internet expert on the study of the earthlol:lol:lol: I doubt you were born when I was in graduate school.:good!:

Do I hear a mouse peeing on a cotton swab or is that the sound of crickets chirping???

 

[IPorange]

I don't know, I am guessing that you are a graduate student. If so, my credentials are much higher and respected than yours, as far as a professional that studies the earth. If you list yours, I'll do the same. All I know is that you are the self proclaimed internet expert on the study of the earthlol:lol:lol: I doubt you were born when I was in graduate school.:good!:

If you don't think humans can affect the environment, you're the one who should go back to school. You're clearly a bit rusty.

I wonder what university you could go to that would accept your position that humans can't impact climate? Certainly not the University of Tennessee. You'd struggle through Introduction to Geology.

I'm not a self-proclaimed internet expert. I'm merely conveying to you what is common knowledge to most people. I'm just tired of hearing 2 + 2 is 5 from so many people. The world doesn't work the way you want it to, no matter how much you believe it does.



gsvol, here is that "98 % of scientists" thing. I won't hold my breath for a retraction or apology. I know you have no tolerance for anything factual on this subject.

BBC News - Study examines scientists' 'climate credibility'

All the best scientists believe in climate change - Say all the best scientists | TechEye

Majority of climate scientists believe in man made warming | DocMartin

Climate scientists challenge global warming deniers - HinesSight

Why don't we trust climate scientists? | Leo Hickman | Environment | guardian.co.uk


Notice how STILL no one is offering up anything scientific of merit to refute global climate change. Only argumentative opinions based on values and convenience.

 

[IPorange]

Climatologists looking for funding. Tell me I'm wrong.

I'm more likely to get funding from a historical society than anything, for my exact line of work. So, and let this sink in... You're wrong.

In fact, some people have gotten interested in what I do from a biblical perspective, which really makes me roll my eyes.

 

[IPorange]

And on the flipside, if there is ever a tragic hurricane or volcano eruption, it is evidence for AGW.

Only retards with volcanic eruptions. There hasn't been any solid connections between hurricane frequency/strength and global climate change, but it's possible. Nothing solid, though. In fact, I'm aware of a study that thought they found such evidence via oxygen isotopes from Caribbean forests. Didn't pan out.

 

[gsvol]

I'm actually in the field. You're the liar, pal. A report stating what I said was in the news just a week or two ago. I guess your kook fringe sites must have missed it.
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Your asperity aside, maybe you can provide a link to your news item??

Again, since you are in the field maybe you can provide us all with your bonafides and possibly any published work.

Don't leave us hanging, with which just what aspect are you involved?

What about Ronny?

Here are some pretty good Ronnyisms:

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."

Then they don't know what they're talking about. Probably oil company geologists who are thinking in terms irrelevant to the last few hundred thousand years, ecology, or the impact on civilization.

Oil company geologists. Tell me I'm wrong.
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OK, YOU'RE WRONG!!

AND YOUR ARE?lol:lol:lol:lol:

He's the

Or maybe the jolly greeen midget.

Climatologists looking for funding. Tell me I'm wrong.

Worst sort of leech.

 

[overseasorange2]

If you don't think humans can affect the environment, you're the one who should go back to school. You're clearly a bit rusty.

I wonder what university you could go to that would accept your position that humans can't impact climate? Certainly not the University of Tennessee. You'd struggle through Introduction to Geology.

I'm not a self-proclaimed internet expert. I'm merely conveying to you what is common knowledge to most people. I'm just tired of hearing 2 + 2 is 5 from so many people. The world doesn't work the way you want it to, no matter how much you believe it does.



gsvol, here is that "98 % of scientists" thing. I won't hold my breath for a retraction or apology. I know you have no tolerance for anything factual on this subject.

BBC News - Study examines scientists' 'climate credibility'

All the best scientists believe in climate change - Say all the best scientists | TechEye

Majority of climate scientists believe in man made warming | DocMartin

Climate scientists challenge global warming deniers - HinesSight

Why don't we trust climate scientists? | Leo Hickman | Environment | guardian.co.uk


Notice how STILL no one is offering up anything scientific of merit to refute global climate change. Only argumentative opinions based on values and convenience.

I really did not think you would volunteer anything but other peoples work. I never said that man does not have any effect on the environment, but I am just not in the panic mode that you are about it, and that seems to Pi$$ you off.

Actually I have 2 degrees from UT in geology. My graduate work was done in sedimentology and paleoecology. I have been a member of the AAPG for 30 years and HGS(Houston geological society). I am licensed in the state of Texas as a professional geologist. I have worked in 3 different countries that all recognized me as a professional geologist(They don't pay those large expat salaries for nothing). I have testified in court as an expert in my field in Austin, TX. Finally, I have worked in most of the geologic basins in the U.S.


So yes Mr. expert tell me about the earth. lol:lol:lol:

While doing field work for my thesis in the Oak Ridge area, several times I had a person stop their car to talk to me carrying their bible. He/they would ask if the outcrop I was working on contained any marine fossils. I said quite a few. So then they would say, "Isn't that evidence for the great flood"? So I thought to myself, if so there was many floods and Noah lived about 500 million years ago. However, if I got into this I knew the guy would never leave. So I smiled and said, "maybe you are right". At which point , he smiled turned around and got back into his car.

I have spent more time then it's worth here. I do have a day job, and a geomodel that needs to be complete in 2 weeks.

So, I will just say one more thing......maybe you are right:hi:

 

[MG1968]

haven't you worked for an oil company, overseasorange2? If so, IP will immediately disregard you as a "hired gun" toting a company line.

 

[overseasorange2]

haven't you worked for an oil company, overseasorange2? If so, IP will immediately disregard you as a "hired gun" toting a company line.

Yes, I have been steadily employed for 30 years by several major oil companies. So I do realize that makes me evil and doomed to hell.:devilsmoke:

 

[utgibbs]

AND YOUR ARE?lol:lol:lol:lol:

I wouldn't say I'm fully informed, but I certainly know enough.

And I know the evidence of my own eyes in my own lifetime. If anything, the IPCC underestimates the problem with my experience - the things I have watched evolved with my own eyes in my own lifetime. :hi:

 

[VolDad]

I wouldn't say I'm fully informed, but I certainly know enough.

And I know the evidence of my own eyes in my own lifetime. If anything, the IPCC underestimates the problem with my experience - the things I have watched evolved with my own eyes in my own lifetime. :hi:

That evidence encompasses 1 millisecond of the earth climatic history.

That is like saying "I am going blind", because you could not see anything while you blinked.

 

[IPorange]

That evidence encompasses 1 millisecond of the earth climatic history.

That is like saying "I am going blind", because you could not see anything while you blinked.

Is this what you tell your doctor when he takes your blood pressure?

 

[hndog609]

If only to stir the pot a little:

http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~douglass/papers/KD_InPress_final.pdf

As a bit of an aside I'll add this little back and forth I stumbled across on the matter. I took particular note in that, whatever this character's qualifications may be, Trenberth comes across as exactly that type of roaring rectal orifice that seems positively indignant that anyone would dare have the temerity to question. I find this approach wholly contradictive to an actual attempt to further actual scientific discourse on the subject and in fact is the kind of "Shut up and believe what we tell you already!" stance that I find downright discrediting.

My Comment On Robert S. Knox And David H. Douglass – Kevin Trenberth On The Climate Etc Post On “Missing Heat” | Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr.

 

[fl0at]

I never said that man does not have any effect on the environment, but I am just not in the panic mode that you are about it, and that seems to Pi$$ you off.

Now that you have told us who you are, can you tell us what you think, based on your background?

Do you believe it is occurring, not occurring, occurring but slowly, occurring but reversible, or any other variation?

 

[gsvol]

 

[utgibbs]

That evidence encompasses 1 millisecond of the earth climatic history.

That is like saying "I am going blind", because you could not see anything while you blinked.

Ah, but my observations coincide with what the scientists are saying. The scientists, in this case, are confirming my observations - giving context to what we are actually witnessing in real time.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That evidence encompasses 1 millisecond of the earth climatic history.

That is like saying "I am going blind", because you could not see anything while you blinked.

Exactly what I've been saying. Taking a 20-30 year snap shot in time and extrapolating anything on a 4 billion year old planet is crazy talk.

Until these guys are able to accurately predict what will happen from one season to the next (this winter was predicted to be a mild winter), then there is no way I can take them seriously. Hell... forget 3 months ahead of time. How about a 15 day forecast.

 

[fl0at]

Exactly what I've been saying. Taking a 20-30 year snap shot in time and extrapolating anything on a 4 billion year old planet is crazy talk.

Until these guys are able to accurately predict what will happen from one season to the next (this winter was predicted to be a mild winter), then there is no way I can take them seriously. Hell... forget 3 months ahead of time. How about a 15 day forecast.

I think the point IP makes pretty frequently is that climate and weather are not the same thing.

As to the 20-30 year snap shot, they aren't even doing that, but for sake of argument, do you think you can take a 20-30 year snap shot of a given specie and be able to predict the likelihood, without any intervention, that the animal will go extinct? Even one that has been on the planet several hundred thousand years? Even with natural population flux of a given animal?