Official 2017 NFL Playoffs thread

#101
#101
NashVol11 said:
Every time you watch Aaron Rodgers shred a defense, just remember, the 49ers took Alex Smith over him. Lol
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A lot of teams passed on him.

He turned out great. Unfortunately, though, at the time of that draft, he was going to need to still sit a few years and develop first (and he did...he was on the bench for 3 years before he started).
 
#102
#102
Persian Vol said:
No kidding. Two players picked ahead of Aaron Rodgers includes David Pollack and Marcus Spears 😂
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To be fair to one of them, David Pollack had a career-ending neck injury in the first game of his second season (broken cervical vertebrae). It's not like he just fizzled out of the league.
 
#104
#104
TrueOrange said:
A lot of teams passed on him.

He turned out great. Unfortunately, though, at the time of that draft, he was going to need to still sit a few years and develop first (and he did...he was on the bench for 3 years before he started).
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Smith needed to sit too, they just played him anyway and he had 1 TD and 11 picks IIRC
 
#106
#106
NashVol11 said:
May not be the worst pick, but taking a league-average QB when you could have (and should have) gotten an MVP is pretty bad.
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Alex Smith is not league average, IMO. Not even close. He's so hard to sack because he has the fastest snap-to-throw average in the NFL and he only threw 8 picks.

His WRs are average. His numbers are average. His play is not, tho.
 
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#107
#107
I am watching the Brett Favre Football Life and he seriously asked Ty Detmer what "nickel" meant, on the sideline.
 
#108
#108
n_huffhines said:
Alex Smith is not league average, IMO. Not even close. He's so hard to sack because he has the fastest snap-to-throw average in the NFL and he only threw 8 picks.

His WRs are average. His numbers are average. His play is not, tho.
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Easy to do when you rarely throw the ball past 10 yards.
 
#109
#109
Nerd-Vol said:
Easy to do when you rarely throw the ball past 10 yards.
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I don't think it's easy to do, but yeah it's easier...if you are good at making quick decisions. If he's rarely throwing beyond 10 yards, it's pretty amazing that he's getting 7.16 ypa, especially with those WRs.
 
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#112
#112
NashVol11 said:
Yes. He's the most comically conservative QB in the NFL
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OK, so he's conservative, but if it's so easy to do, why isn't half the league doing what he's doing? He's had a winning record for 6 straight seasons.

He's gone 11-4 twice with a 24th ranked defense.
 
#113
#113
n_huffhines said:
OK, so he's conservative, but if it's so easy to do, why isn't half the league doing what he's doing? He's had a winning record for 6 straight seasons.

He's gone 11-4 twice with a 24th ranked defense.
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Exactly hard to say man that style is bad or awful when he has a undeniable impressive winning for 6 straight seasons proven great results.

If it's not broke don't fix it because this a proven terrific formula.
 
#114
#114
n_huffhines said:
OK, so he's conservative, but if it's so easy to do, why isn't half the league doing what he's doing? He's had a winning record for 6 straight seasons.

He's gone 11-4 twice with a 24th ranked defense.
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Most teams don't have a top 5 running game for four seasons in a row like Smith did. It also helps when you have guys like Hill and even Kelce that can turn short passes into big gains
 
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#115
He certainly has kept winning though, even in years like this one without a great run game or great defense. It's a fair point, I'm just still pretty skeptical of him as someone who can consistently carry an offense in the playoffs.
 
#116
#116
NashVol11 said:
Most teams don't have a top 5 running game for four seasons in a row like Smith did. It also helps when you have guys like Hill and even Kelce that can turn short passes into big gains
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Alex Smith is also a run threat, which directly contributes to their rushing totals and also opens things up for the running backs. He had 400+ yards twice in the last 4 years that you speak of.
 
#117
#117
NashVol11 said:
He certainly has kept winning though, even in years like this one without a great run game or great defense. It's a fair point, I'm just still pretty skeptical of him as someone who can consistently carry an offense in the playoffs.
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Well, I don't consider him to be that...there are only a few elite QBs that can do that. I'm just arguing that Alex Smith is above average.

A guy like Philip Rivers can put up huge points, no matter the opponent and Smith will never be that, but Smith will make you +6 in turnovers and Rivers will make you -6. It's tough to say which is better. Rivers is certainly more exciting.

The one underrated attribute of Smith is that he can move the ball in a 2-minute drill. He's pretty scary when you have 4 downs to work with, considering his mobility.
 
#119
#119
n_huffhines said:
Well, I don't consider him to be that...there are only a few elite QBs that can do that. I'm just arguing that Alex Smith is above average.

A guy like Philip Rivers can put up huge points, no matter the opponent and Smith will never be that, but Smith will make you +6 in turnovers and Rivers will make you -6. It's tough to say which is better. Rivers is certainly more exciting.

The one underrated attribute of Smith is that he can move the ball in a 2-minute drill. He's pretty scary when you have 4 downs to work with, considering his mobility.
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I say average because I can think of at least 16 QBs I'd take over him: Rodgers, Brady, Ben, Brees, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Carr, Cam, Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Cousins, Mariota, Winston, Prescott. Flacco has a good case too after carrying a team to a title, and Palmer was an MVP runner-up a year ago.

In the playoffs, unless you have the Broncos defense or something, you have to hit those riskier downfield passes, IMO. The whole "let's throw a 3-yard pass on 3rd and 10 so we avoid a turnover" style of play becomes less effective. He seemed to open it up some in that loss to Indy though
 
#120
#120
NashVol11 said:
I say average because I can think of at least 16 QBs I'd take over him: Rodgers, Brady, Ben, Brees, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Carr, Cam, Eli, Rivers, Stafford, Cousins, Mariota, Winston, Prescott. Flacco has a good case too after carrying a team to a title, and Palmer was an MVP runner-up a year ago.

In the playoffs, unless you have the Broncos defense or something, you have to hit those riskier downfield passes, IMO. The whole "let's throw a 3-yard pass on 3rd and 10 so we avoid a turnover" style of play becomes less effective. He seemed to open it up some in that loss to Indy though
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I don't totally disagree with this definition of average, but a few of those guys I would only take over Smith because they are younger, not because they had a better 2016. There are also a few more that I think are better QBs, but didn't necessarily have a better 2016.
 
#121
#121
n_huffhines said:
I don't totally disagree with this definition of average, but a few of those guys I would only take over Smith because they are younger, not because they had a better 2016. There are also a few more that I think are better QBs, but didn't necessarily have a better 2016.
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Yeah Smith definitely had a better 2016 than Eli and Flacco, among others.

Also agree that in a vacuum, without listing out QBs, I would describe his play as above-average.
 
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