Official 2010 U.S. Open thread

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Watching the Golf Channel last night they also thought the comments about Stevie were odd at best. One guy said that Tiger doesn't have a lot of friends left at this point so he should be a little more careful about what he says about his caddie!
 
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volinbham said:
Watching the Golf Channel last night they also thought the comments about Stevie were odd at best. One guy said that Tiger doesn't have a lot of friends left at this point so he should be a little more careful about what he says about his caddie!
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Just stupid. He has friends, my goodness. Stevie had no clue about Tiger's infidelities because they do not hang out away from the course, remember?

Were the fools honestly insinuating that nobody is going to pick up that bag and make 7 figures?
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ridethelightening said:
Just stupid. He has friends, my goodness. Stevie had no clue about Tiger's infidelities because they do not hang out away from the course, remember?

Were the fools honestly insinuating that nobody is going to pick up that bag and make 7 figures?
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I think you missed bham's, or Golf Channel's, point, which is a good one. In the past, if Tiger went all sideways, he had a support system to help him keep things in the fairway. Now, his father is gone. His wife is gone. His coach is gone. Stevie is left. I think I might be a little careful about alienating him until the system is rebuilt.
 
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cotton said:
I think you missed bham's, or Golf Channel's, point, which is a good one. In the past, if Tiger went all sideways, he had a support system to help him keep things in the fairway. Now, his father is gone. His wife is gone. His coach is gone. Stevie is left. I think I might be a little careful about alienating him until the system is rebuilt.
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The media also said he needed to distance himself from everyone in the support system. The media talks, that's it.
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ridethelightening said:
Go check what phil said about his putt on 14 and get back to me.

Tiger always says "we" in good times and bad.
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I went back and watched Phil's presser and yes, sounded like he was indirectly blaming the green for his missed putt on #14 which may or may not be the case, pretty weak on his part regardless, but they were speaking specifically about #14 which hardly equates to blaming his tourney misfortunes on the greens, he specifically said "I didn't get it done" but again if and when he starts blaming lackluster play on something or somebody else, I won't have any problem calling him out on it.

Your last sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

Name me any specific time or times before Sun. that Tiger has mentioned Steve Williams by name in reference to bad calls on shooting at pins or club selection, could be that he has but I or anyone else so far can't recall it, maybe you can help us out here. Go back and watch Tiger's presser after his 66 on Sat. I did, you'll hear a ton of I's but not even 1 we.
 
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Speaking of #14, fair or unfair hole ? good or bad hole for a Major ?

I'm a little torn on this one, I think birdies and pars should be much harder to come by in the Majors especially the Opens, and I firmly believe a premium should be put on shotmaking but #14 this year came a little close to crossing the line, when you've got more bogeys and almost as many double bogeys or worse as you do pars on a par 5 on Sun. that's pushing the limits.

What do you all think ?
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Speaking of #14, fair or unfair hole ? good or bad hole for a Major ?

I'm a little torn on this one, I think birdies and pars should be much harder to come by in the Majors especially the Opens, and I firmly believe a premium should be put on shotmaking but #14 this year came a little close to crossing the line, when you've got more bogeys and almost as many double bogeys or worse as you do pars on a par 5 on Sun. that's pushing the limits.

What do you all think ?
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It and 17 were absurd with the greens that hard. 17 was probably more ridiculous for the last two rounds.

7 was playing 92 yards downhill, down wind and every single player hit L wedge 30 feet left and it bounced to the back of the green.
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BigPapaVol said:
It and 17 were absurd with the greens that hard. 17 was probably more ridiculous for the last two rounds.

7 was playing 92 yards downhill, down wind and every single player hit L wedge 30 feet left and it bounced to the back of the green.
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I agree about 7 and 17 being as bad but I don't mind the par 3's being that rough, I like to watch the test of getting up and down, a man can card a 5 there if screws up bad no doubt, but dudes were carding snowmen and 9's on #14 a par 5, that's brutal as hell for a shot maybe 3 inches off.
 
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#284
I didn't agree with McDowell's statement that good shots were rewarded but bad ones were severely punished...seems to me from watching that good shots were just not punished, I didn't see any rewards.
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GAVol said:
I think it's goofy golf. I just don't like what the USGA continually does to golf courses in the name of creating a tournament where Par wins.
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Why ?

It's all in what you like I suppose and I certainly don't begrudge anyones opinion on it but I personally like for the Majors to test the best players in the world against par, IMO in usually brings the very best all around players to the top of the leaderboards by Sun.
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
I went back and watched Phil's presser and yes, sounded like he was indirectly blaming the green for his missed putt on #14 which may or may not be the case, pretty weak on his part regardless, but they were speaking specifically about #14 which hardly equates to blaming his tourney misfortunes on the greens, he specifically said "I didn't get it done" but again if and when he starts blaming lackluster play on something or somebody else, I won't have any problem calling him out on it.

Your last sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

Name me any specific time or times before Sun. that Tiger has mentioned Steve Williams by name in reference to bad calls on shooting at pins or club selection, could be that he has but I or anyone else so far can't recall it, maybe you can help us out here. Go back and watch Tiger's presser after his 66 on Sat. I did, you'll hear a ton of I's but not even 1 we.
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I don't have anything and don't really care to look it up. Not worth arguing over because I, nor anyone else, can spin Tiger into anything other than what he is, anymore. A good golfer, less than acceptable person.

I don't necessarily think he was throwing him under the bus, but he was frustrated and most people tend to look for someone or something to blame. If he was given bad information from his caddy, should he not be frustrated by it? I get the whole don't make it public, and I agree
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Why ?

It's all in what you like I suppose and I certainly don't begrudge anyones opinion on it but I personally like for the Majors to test the best players in the world against par, IMO in usually brings the very best all around players to the top of the leaderboards by Sun.
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I think my issue with it is that the screwy setups tend to produce some "fluke" winners. It's more a version of Survivor than a golf tournament. It's next to impossible for anyone to make a charge on a course like that.

I heard the Golf Channel guys ripping Tiger for not being more aggressive and saying that a guy like Greg Norman would have repeatedly fired at pins . . . and I'm thinking to myself "That's exactly why Greg Norman never won a US Open."
 
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ridethelightening said:
I don't have anything and don't really care to look it up. Not worth arguing over because I, nor anyone else, can spin Tiger into anything other than what he is, anymore. A good golfer, less than acceptable person.

I don't necessarily think he was throwing him under the bus, but he was frustrated and most people tend to look for someone or something to blame. If he was given bad information from his caddy, should he not be frustrated by it? I get the whole don't make it public, and I agree
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1- Not arguing just debating

2- Agree with the 1st paragraph of your post

3- Totally disagree with the "most people look for someone else to blame", line, that's normally for the weakminded and spoiled.

4- Getting bad info from his caddy certainly should be frustrating but in all their time together he's just now getting bad info ? and if Tiger or any other player gets info from their caddy that they know or truly believe is wrong (as in Tiger's claim) and they follow thru with that info and still hit, then who is really to blame for the outcome ?

5- Not that it matters or anyone cares but my opinion of Tiger isn't a recent thing, it's been ongoing for about 13 years now, ever since I watched him up close and personal make a complete ass out of himself at Doral, called out and cussed out a photographer after an absolutely hideous drive off the tee, the photographer vigorously denied shooting early, he was no more than 5 feet from me and I never heard a shutter nor did anyone else in the crowd or at the tee including Tiger's own caddy and the marshalls at the tee, didn't deter Tiger he wouldn't let it go, raised hell for close to 3 minutes. He lost alot of fans that day, about half or more (including me) of the 400 or so people following his pairing at that tee walked off in search of a better scene and pair to follow. Saw him do the same thing a couple of years later at Sawgrass, this time it was a Marshall after he chili-dipped an easy greenside chip, another pathetic scene that turned most in another direction, that was it for me.
I'm still a fan of his talent, I respect his golf game and am sometimes in awe of some shots he pulls off but until he admits that even the best people in their fields can make an occasional mistake, that even he, the #1 ranked player in the world can screw up a hole all on his own without the help of someone else I hope he never makes another cut.
 
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GAVol said:
I heard the Golf Channel guys ripping Tiger for not being more aggressive and saying that a guy like Greg Norman would have repeatedly fired at pins . . . and I'm thinking to myself "That's exactly why Greg Norman never won a US Open."
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i don't know what to think of the Golf Network guys sometimes. somethings they say just don't make any sense to me.
 
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GAVol said:
I think my issue with it is that the screwy setups tend to produce some "fluke" winners. It's more a version of Survivor than a golf tournament. It's next to impossible for anyone to make a charge on a course like that.

I heard the Golf Channel guys ripping Tiger for not being more aggressive and saying that a guy like Greg Norman would have repeatedly fired at pins . . . and I'm thinking to myself "That's exactly why Greg Norman never won a US Open."
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Really ? I think that's pretty rare for the majors and big tourneys, I can't think of many.

Craig Perks at The Players
Rich Beem at The PGA
Shawn Micheel at The PGA

There's bound to be a few more but I can't think of any, it's always seemed to me that the tough course setups at the Majors usually bring the cream to the top, hence the relatively short list of Major winners and extremely short list of multiple Major winners.
 
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GAVol said:
I think my issue with it is that the screwy setups tend to produce some "fluke" winners. It's more a version of Survivor than a golf tournament. It's next to impossible for anyone to make a charge on a course like that.

I heard the Golf Channel guys ripping Tiger for not being more aggressive and saying that a guy like Greg Norman would have repeatedly fired at pins . . . and I'm thinking to myself "That's exactly why Greg Norman never won a US Open."
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:eek:lol:

agreed
 
#293
#293
Everybody has to put the same greens. McDowell putted better than everyone else, and that's why he won. What's the problem? 14 and 17's greens should have been watered, but other than that, I have no problems with the setup. Sunday had a terrific leaderboard that included three of the best players of this generation. What's not to like? The tour has plenty of birdiefest events where 22 under wins. Phil won the Masters this year shooting 16 under, for crying out loud, and I'm thinking it's gonna take double digits under par to win the British and PGA, as well. So having one event a year where par is protected and respected seems perfectly legit to me.

Plus, as a hacker, I take a perverse thrill in watching pros struggle to make two-putt pars on a 91-yard downhill par 3.
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Why ?

It's all in what you like I suppose and I certainly don't begrudge anyones opinion on it but I personally like for the Majors to test the best players in the world against par, IMO in usually brings the very best all around players to the top of the leaderboards by Sun.
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I think that is fine, so long as it doesn't infringe on what I think should be the main goal--testing the best players against each other. I do think that gets lost in the USGA's quest to protect par.

If you hit a good shot, you should be in good shape. If you put a putt on the right line with good speed, it should have a chance to go in. In the name of difficulty, the Open often introduces unpredictability, where good shots wind up casuing doubles and good putts wind up in the fairway. And on top of that, because players know this, they play differently.

That isn't good golf, and that isn't what our national championship is supposed to be, IMHO.
 
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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Really ? I think that's pretty rare for the majors and big tourneys, I can't think of many.

Craig Perks at The Players
Rich Beem at The PGA
Shawn Micheel at The PGA

There's bound to be a few more but I can't think of any, it's always seemed to me that the tough course setups at the Majors usually bring the cream to the top, hence the relatively short list of Major winners and extremely short list of multiple Major winners.
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How about Lucas Glover, '09 US Open? Or Michael Campbell, '05 US Open?

Admittedly, the US Open isn't alone in producing flukes, but it is the tournament that seems designed to do so.
 
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cotton said:
I think that is fine, so long as it doesn't infringe on what I think should be the main goal--testing the best players against each other. I do think that gets lost in the USGA's quest to protect par.

If you hit a good shot, you should be in good shape. If you put a putt on the right line with good speed, it should have a chance to go in. In the name of difficulty, the Open often introduces unpredictability, where good shots wind up casuing doubles and good putts wind up in the fairway. And on top of that, because players know this, they play differently.

That isn't good golf, and that isn't what our national championship is supposed to be, IMHO.
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I agree 100%. The USGA goes way too far IMO trying to dictate what the winning number will be. The result is that it takes the Driver out of play, sucks the aggression out of the players and creates a few too many pot luck winners that happen to putt the eyes out of it that week like Andy North, Scott Simpson, Steve Jones, Lee Janzen, Michael Campbell, Geoff Oglivy . . . and Grahme McDowell.
 
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Anyone played Pebble? I played once, scenery was nice but didn't care for the layout. Too much hype probably led to my disappointment. (or the stiff green fee) I like T. Pines better.
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bamacheats said:
Anyone played Pebble? I played once, scenery was nice but didn't care for the layout. Too much hype probably led to my disappointment. (or the stiff green fee) I like T. Pines better.
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I've played it. Slow as hell play ruined it for me. Layout was fine, but greens were surprisingly bad. In that neck of the woods, Spanish Bay was best for me. Also loved the Bayonet Course on Ft. Ord.
 
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