Offensive Coaching Structure for 2012

#26
#26
ImportedVoL said:
I really think we will have a very good run game next year, current talent we have with more experience and we have a RB coming in who looks to have great vision and ability, hopefully its translates to the SEC.

With everyone we have coming back... if we still have trouble running the ball next year, then I would be willing to concede the conversation of coaching changes. Until then I really think any change in coaching is going to hurt us.
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Did you think it was going to hurt us by getting rid of Chuck Smith and promoting Sirmon and moving Thompson?

Cause that has worked out great so far.

I know the line is young so far but I can just read Dooley's body language and I feel like he is frustrated with him.
 
#27
#27
DazzleVol said:
this .. I'm still up in the air about dooley, but right now we need stability and recruits .. if nothing else he appears to be doing well on those accounts.
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What recruits has Heistand gotten us so far this year...I can't think of any that he is the reason we landed them. ( I know he did have a few in 2011 class)
 
#28
#28
ImportedVoL said:
With everyone we have coming back... if we still have trouble running the ball next year, then I would be willing to concede the conversation of coaching changes. Until then I really think any change in coaching is going to hurt us.
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Making changes after next year will be too late for Dooley.

Ericvol2096 said:
What recruits has Heistand gotten us so far this year...I can't think of any that he is the reason we landed them. ( I know he did have a few in 2011 class)
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To be fair, we aren't recruiting any OL. I know what point you were making, just want to be clear.
 
#30
#30
Ericvol2096 said:
What recruits has Heistand gotten us so far this year...I can't think of any that he is the reason we landed them. ( I know he did have a few in 2011 class)
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I was referring to dooley with the stability and recruiting .. and keeping HH would show "stablilty" of the staff year to year
 
#32
#32
I don't know what's going to happen but I know what I want to happen.

I want Justin Fuente to be the OC at Tennessee in 2012 and I want Jay Graham to be the RB coach at Tennessee in 2012.
 
#35
#35
Ericvol2096 said:
That is too extreme...Chaney is calling good games, we just aren't executing perfectly which is due to the youth...our Oline is the main area that seems to be regressing.

Joseph was dealt a tough hand with this unit when Janzen was suspended...he also is our recruiting coordinator and does damn well at that...I am willing to give him another chance.
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Why is Auburn running the ball? They lost just about every starter from 2010.
 
#36
#36
DrunkJohnny said:
Fire Chaney and Joseph.
Wilcox to coach DBs
Hire a OC that can develop a running game in the SEC
Hire a RB coach
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Guy with a thousand posts in one month - take a deep breath. Do you really think this would benefit us?
 
#37
#37
I like the idea - our running game sucks so maybe go out and hire a running back coach
 
#38
#38
Ericvol2096 said:
I think there will be a couple changes on how the offensive coaching is structured for next year.

I think Harry may be let go. I am not saying 100% he should be, but I think he may...I have seen Dooley rip him on multiple occasions on the sideline, Dooley is not afraid to make changes to his staff-A LA Chuck Smith.

If you let CHH go you can shift Coach Chaney from helping with RB's to focusing on the OL.

Chaney coached OL in the pro's at St. Louis before his stint at TN and was OC and Oline coach at Purdue during all his success there. He is obviously up to the task.

Then we hire a top notch RB's coach/recruiter and give him run game coordinator title or something along those lines to increase his pay.

I was thinking about this after reading a thread on VQ and this seems to be the best possible change to get the offense to operate at its full capacity next year.

Any thoughts?
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Sounds pretty good, I pray Dooley gets his **** together next year. I think the moves you described would be a step in the right direction!
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#42
#42
DrunkJohnny said:
Why does Harry need to be fired?
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This is a funny question since you seem to advocate firing everyone but HH.


Here's the answer: No one will be fired unless someone is not "with the program". If HH and Chaney are at odds over the way the OL should be developed for instance then one will likely be gone... Probably HH.

If ANYONE other than DD is not with Wilcox's program... their gone. Which is why I don't think anyone on D loses their job unless they aren't competent... and I honestly doubt that is the case.

I would not be surprised to see minor structural changes but would be surprised to see anyone fired.
 
#43
#43
Ericvol2096 said:
I think there will be a couple changes on how the offensive coaching is structured for next year.

I think Harry may be let go. I am not saying 100% he should be, but I think he may...I have seen Dooley rip him on multiple occasions on the sideline, Dooley is not afraid to make changes to his staff-A LA Chuck Smith.

If you let CHH go you can shift Coach Chaney from helping with RB's to focusing on the OL.

Chaney coached OL in the pro's at St. Louis before his stint at TN and was OC and Oline coach at Purdue during all his success there. He is obviously up to the task.

Then we hire a top notch RB's coach/recruiter and give him run game coordinator title or something along those lines to increase his pay.

I was thinking about this after reading a thread on VQ and this seems to be the best possible change to get the offense to operate at its full capacity next year.

Any thoughts?
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What about Chino? I'm pretty sure you don't mean the move him over to RB Coach and would hire someone with more cache. If not, do they let him go too and get another GA?
 
#44
#44
Ericvol2096 said:
Did you think it was going to hurt us by getting rid of Chuck Smith and promoting Sirmon and moving Thompson?

Cause that has worked out great so far.

I know the line is young so far but I can just read Dooley's body language and I feel like he is frustrated with him.
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I think getting rid of Chuck Smith and promoting Sirmon has shown to be a very good move by Coach Dooley. I know fans are down of our Defense and Coach Wilcox, but I don't think they realize this Defense is put together with freshman, duck tape, and bubble gun. Yes, they have given up some big plays, but I think that shows the youth and inexperience of the players and the lack of JJ in the backfield. They have also put us in position to win some games but the Offense didn't come through.
 
#45
#45
With all this talk about going after coaches that are great recruiters I want to know how hard is it to recruit to UT? Fulmer was pulling in top 10 classes up untill he fired and Kiffin got a top 3 class. I know both of them are supposed to be some of the best in the biz but can't we claim some of that is since they were at UT, with one of the largest stadiums, most historic program, and newest facilities in the country?
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#47
#47
jortfreeTN said:
With all this talk about going after coaches that are great recruiters I want to know how hard is it to recruit to UT? Fulmer was pulling in top 10 classes up untill he fired and Kiffin got a top 3 class. I know both of them are supposed to be some of the best in the biz but can't we claim some of that is since they were at UT, with one of the largest stadiums, most historic program, and newest facilities in the country?
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People seem to forget that some SEC opponents (Bama, UGA, SC) were not very good back in the 90's. I think these teams got better coaching and recruiting and starting taking advantage of their better in state talent and Fulmer got lazy and took chances on thug talent and so did Kiffin that helped put us in our current situation. Tennessee will always be at a disadvantage to UGA, Bama, LSU, Florida in recruiting because they have much larger base of really good in state talent. Dooley is doing really well building a base of solid recruits who will/can stay in the program to build depth. It will take some time, but in the end will build the program for the long haul and not short term (1 year) success. Spurrier has done the same thing at USCe and it's taken him 5-6 years to reach SEC East success.
 
#48
#48
Let me get this straight. The OP is suggesting getting rid of the position coach for the most complicated position outside of QB on the team, and replacing that coach with a coach for one of the simplest positions.
 
#49
#49
Ericvol2096 said:
I think there will be a couple changes on how the offensive coaching is structured for next year.

I think Harry may be let go. I am not saying 100% he should be, but I think he may...I have seen Dooley rip him on multiple occasions on the sideline, Dooley is not afraid to make changes to his staff-A LA Chuck Smith.

If you let CHH go you can shift Coach Chaney from helping with RB's to focusing on the OL.

Chaney coached OL in the pro's at St. Louis before his stint at TN and was OC and Oline coach at Purdue during all his success there. He is obviously up to the task.

Then we hire a top notch RB's coach/recruiter and give him run game coordinator title or something along those lines to increase his pay.

I was thinking about this after reading a thread on VQ and this seems to be the best possible change to get the offense to operate at its full capacity next year.

Any thoughts?
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Eddie Gran! Throw everything we have at him, this is the guy we need! He is a recruiting monster in south FL and he is a good RB coach. We need this guy! I want him bad!!
 
#50
#50
LWSVOL said:
Batey at Vanderbilt is a stud recruiter and can coach running backs. he has WRs at Vandy.

Bill Napier is an administrative assisitant at Alabama. another stud recruiter who could coach running backs. He is someone that will be on a staff somewhere next year. Too good at recrutiing / coaching to not be fulltime staff member.
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Napier is a relentless recruiter. He would be a solid choice. I say we throw some good money at Croom.
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