munsterlander
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Not a negavol, serious question. Well, backstory leading to a question.
When I was in high school we ran the veer. Two back set. Typical play was fullback off strongside tackle. Line blocked down on defensive tackle and inside linebacker, DE was first read. Outside linebacker was second read, option to tailback.
Offense was monstrously successful for a couple seasons - mythical national championship.
Then all the coaches left, took college coaching gigs - and I honestly don't believe the coaches that moved up from JV or whatever to take their places fully understood the offense.
Both at our school and at some summer camps I attended, a recurring problem was a very quick fullback (actually was more like two tailbacks) beating the QB to the hole. A recurring "solution" was for the QB to angle back away from the line - kind of like a DB taking an angle on a receiver - shortened the distance the QB had to cover to intersect the FB.
But here's the problem - once you're a couple yards off the line of scrimmage into the backfield, the QB can no longer read the DE. The DE reads the QB. In order for the option to work, the read has to be close enough to the DE that once they commit, they cannot recover. I believe this was one of the major contributors to the effectiveness of the offense declining drastically over the next several years at my HS.
In retrospect, at least to me, a coach advocating for that solution really didn't understand how the veer - or, dare I say, option reads in general, work. Incidentally, Johnny Majors at a camp at Dobyns-Bennett in Kingsport is one of the coaches that advocated this solution.
Anyway - so here's the question - and I'm hoping there's a rationale that is just beyond my knowledge.
I'm having a hard time seeing how an option read from 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage can possibly EVER consistently work, because it seems like the defense has way too much time to "read the read" and blocks have to be held for way too long. It seems to me that is why Hurd so frequently is fighting for his life to get back to the LOS, let alone break a long run.
Now I know we ran for a lot of yards last year, so somehow it must work some. But it is beyond me why/how.
Seriously, I'm not asking this just to tee up Debord (or, really, CBJ - it's his offense) for VN to bash again for the next 500 posts. I'm asking because I'm hopeful some offense guru can at least explain the theory behind what we're doing and what I'm not understanding about it.
TIA.
When I was in high school we ran the veer. Two back set. Typical play was fullback off strongside tackle. Line blocked down on defensive tackle and inside linebacker, DE was first read. Outside linebacker was second read, option to tailback.
Offense was monstrously successful for a couple seasons - mythical national championship.
Then all the coaches left, took college coaching gigs - and I honestly don't believe the coaches that moved up from JV or whatever to take their places fully understood the offense.
Both at our school and at some summer camps I attended, a recurring problem was a very quick fullback (actually was more like two tailbacks) beating the QB to the hole. A recurring "solution" was for the QB to angle back away from the line - kind of like a DB taking an angle on a receiver - shortened the distance the QB had to cover to intersect the FB.
But here's the problem - once you're a couple yards off the line of scrimmage into the backfield, the QB can no longer read the DE. The DE reads the QB. In order for the option to work, the read has to be close enough to the DE that once they commit, they cannot recover. I believe this was one of the major contributors to the effectiveness of the offense declining drastically over the next several years at my HS.
In retrospect, at least to me, a coach advocating for that solution really didn't understand how the veer - or, dare I say, option reads in general, work. Incidentally, Johnny Majors at a camp at Dobyns-Bennett in Kingsport is one of the coaches that advocated this solution.
Anyway - so here's the question - and I'm hoping there's a rationale that is just beyond my knowledge.
I'm having a hard time seeing how an option read from 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage can possibly EVER consistently work, because it seems like the defense has way too much time to "read the read" and blocks have to be held for way too long. It seems to me that is why Hurd so frequently is fighting for his life to get back to the LOS, let alone break a long run.
Now I know we ran for a lot of yards last year, so somehow it must work some. But it is beyond me why/how.
Seriously, I'm not asking this just to tee up Debord (or, really, CBJ - it's his offense) for VN to bash again for the next 500 posts. I'm asking because I'm hopeful some offense guru can at least explain the theory behind what we're doing and what I'm not understanding about it.
TIA.
