Oden NBA Lottery Pick --- Yea Right

#51
#51
hatvol96 said:
Eric Dampier has lasted a decade in the NBA with no discernable skill. As far as true centers, Oden would only be behind Shaq and Yao. The other guys who would rank ahead of him, like Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard, are really power forwards playing out of position.
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It also depends on if you consider Duncan a center or not, which is a subjective issue.

Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Oden, Bogut, in order, imo.
 
#53
#53
I think people are letting their anti-OSU bias cloud their vision. Oden is awesome and dominates when he's in the game. The fouls that they are calling on him are total BS. Imagine if he had a healthy wrist all year long.

I still think that Florida will win tonight. The Gators have too much depth in the front court for the Buckeyes. But maybe OSU will get lucky and pull the upset.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Oden is the most athletically gifted big man to come along in a generation and will be dominant.
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What generation are you talking about? If he's in the same generation as Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand, Yao Ming, Emeka Okafor, Zach Randolph, Chis Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal and Carlos Boozer, then I think there might be a few who are at least as gifted.

I think the superlatives are making some of us scratch our heads and think of the possibility that he might not live up to the hype. Remember Chris Washburn?
 
#56
#56
BigPapaVol said:
I'm not showing any Oden love. I'm just being realistic about what teams at the next level are looking for. Durant can do a lot of things, but he won't change games or playoff series the way Oden will. I think he needs a ton of coaching, especially on offense, needs fitness work, and game awareness, but the athletic ability he possesses at his size is incredible.
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He does have tons of potential, but that's all I see right now. He's not dominating games at his current level.

Watching both Durant and Oden, I think Durant could play meaningful minutes in the league right now, just based on his position. I think Oden needs more work to play center in the league.
 
#57
#57
wbarron said:
Remember Chris Washburn?
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Washburn had no work ethic...and flunked drug tests annually. He was a trainwreck.

Oden seems to be a level-headed, hard-working athlete.

I can't see any similarities between the two, other than size.
 
#59
#59
KnoxNash said:
I think people are letting their anti-OSU bias cloud their vision. Oden is awesome and dominates when he's in the game. The fouls that they are calling on him are total BS. Imagine if he had a healthy wrist all year long.
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No, the fouls called on him are because he can't play away from the basket and can't set screens. And the fouls called are him on only a fraction of the actual fouls he commits every game.
 
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#60
wbarron said:
What generation are you talking about? If he's in the same generation as Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand, Yao Ming, Emeka Okafor, Zach Randolph, Chis Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal and Carlos Boozer, then I think there might be a few who are at least as gifted.

I think the superlatives are making some of us scratch our heads and think of the possibility that he might not live up to the hype. Remember Chris Washburn?
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Stoudamire - power forward who has no prayer of ever being a center
Howard - power forward who was #1 overall pick
Garnett - power forward built like Durant
Brand - 6'8" in Gene Simmons stacks
Yao - nowhere near as athletic as Oden
Okafor - not as athletic and is power forward at best
Randolph - doesn't even belong in the conversation
Bosh - see Garnett except nowhere near as talented
O'Neal - power forward and invisible defender
Boozer - please

Oden might not live up to the hype, but he's got a pretty good chance.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The other guys who would rank ahead of him, like Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard, are really power forwards playing out of position.
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Other than Shaq, are there really any true centers in today's game? By that, I mean guys who patrol the lane, rarely stray far from the bucket or attempt mid-range Js, almost always operate on offense with their back to the basket, and are true shot-blockers?

I'm thinking in the mold of Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain, Dikembe, Ewing.

I mean, isn't it rare to find someone who actually fits the center position today?
 
#62
#62
Sudden Impact said:
I know he did well against us. His defensive presence did bother us. Put him up against other players his size and he does not measure up.

He is not the player everybody says he his. Several Threads ago. Hard to do it from the bench.
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I have feeling if Bobby Knight had still been at Indiana, Oden probably would have gone there, since he did play high school ball in Indianapolis.I still wonder how Ohio State reeled him in.
 
#63
#63
wbarron said:
Other than Shaq, are there really any true centers in today's game? By that, I mean guys who patrol the lane, rarely stray far from the bucket or attempt mid-range Js, almost always operate on offense with their back to the basket, and are true shot-blockers?

I'm thinking in the mold of Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain, Dikembe, Ewing.

I mean, isn't it rare to find someone who actually fits the center position today?
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that's exactly why I'm arguing that a player like Oden is extremely rare and is deserving of the first pick.
 
#64
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BigPapaVol said:
Stoudamire - power forward who has no prayer of ever being a center
Howard - power forward who was #1 overall pick
Garnett - power forward built like Durant
Brand - 6'8" in Gene Simmons stacks
Yao - nowhere near as athletic as Oden
Okafor - not as athletic and is power forward at best
Randolph - doesn't even belong in the conversation
Bosh - see Garnett except nowhere near as talented
O'Neal - power forward and invisible defender
Boozer - please

Oden might not live up to the hype, but he's got a pretty good chance.
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Your last sentence is the most accurate thought on this post.

And your post said big men, not centers. And all on here are big men by virtue of their combo of height and size. Boozer weighs 4 lbs less than Oden. Yao is ridiculously talented for a 7-footer. Randolph just doesn't have the hype as the others, but he's sick.

And all of these big men could score pretty easily on Oden right now. Why? B/c they are stars in the most competitive basketball league in the world. And Oden is a gifted, but unproven (at least not on an NBA level) basketball player.
 
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#66
wbarron said:
Your last sentence is the most accurate thought on this post.

And your post said big men, not centers. And all on here are big men by virtue of their combo of height and size. Boozer weighs 4 lbs less than Oden. Yao is ridiculously talented for a 7-footer. Randolph just doesn't have the hype as the others, but he's sick.

And all of these big men could score pretty easily on Oden right now. Why? B/c they are stars in the most competitive basketball league in the world. And Oden is a gifted, but unproven (at least not on an NBA level) basketball player.
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If you'll go back and read, I'm arguing that Oden's combination of size and athletic ability are exceptionally rare and nobody on your list has that combination. Closest would be Garnett and Howard. Garnett doesn't in any way play like a dominant big man. Howard is a little undersized to dominate, but could some day. The rest of those guys are good NBA players, but are not going to dominate like Shaq can dominate. Oden has that potential.
 
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#67
BigPapaVol said:
If you'll go back and read, I'm arguing that Oden's combination of size and athletic ability are exceptionally rare and nobody on your list has that combination. Closest would be Garnett and Howard. Garnett doesn't in any way play like a dominant big man. Howard is a little undersized to dominate, but could some day. The rest of those guys are good NBA players, but are not going to dominate like Shaq can dominate. Oden has that potential.
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Garnett and Howard are power forwards. Although what position a guy over 6'9" plays in the NBA is so subjective, this is certainly true about these two players.

If the issue is whether Oden will be a good player, argue all you want, but if the issue is will he go number one, it's a non issue. He will go number one. He his a rare big man with great upside. Durant is a great forward, but without the (perceived) upside.
 
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#69
wbarron said:
Or you could say that it's a position that's dying, for good reason.
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The position isn't dying; it's just incredibly rare to find someone with the size and athleticism to play it like Kareem, Olajuwon, Ewing. There are plenty of guys over 7 feet tall, but most of them are stiffs -- e.g., Shawn Bradley, Manute Bol. When a big man has the ability to move around, run the floor, and play with his back to the basket, he can still dominate the game at any level. Ask Shaquille O'Neal if his position is dying.
 
#72
#72
BigPapaVol said:
If you'll go back and read, I'm arguing that Oden's combination of size and athletic ability are exceptionally rare and nobody on your list has that combination. Closest would be Garnett and Howard. Garnett doesn't in any way play like a dominant big man. Howard is a little undersized to dominate, but could some day. The rest of those guys are good NBA players, but are not going to dominate like Shaq can dominate. Oden has that potential.
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Howard is one inch shorter and 5 lbs lighter than Oden and can jump out of the building. Yao Ming is 6 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier and can shoot outside shots. Tim Duncan is one inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter and much, much quicker. I compare him to those guys, because the mold of big men in the NBA today is not a traditional center ala Ewing, Russell, Chamberlain, Mutombo, or Shaq.

But if you want to compare Oden to Shaq, then he'll have to put on 55 lbs (of mostly muscle), be able to dribble the ball btwn his legs while running the fast break (which Shaq could do in college), and overall become much quicker and more agile.
 
#73
#73
wbarron said:
Howard is one inch shorter and 5 lbs lighter than Oden and can jump out of the building. Yao Ming is 6 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier and can shoot outside shots. Tim Duncan is one inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter and much, much quicker. I compare him to those guys, because the mold of big men in the NBA today is not a traditional center ala Ewing, Russell, Chamberlain, Mutombo, or Shaq.

But if you want to compare Oden to Shaq, then he'll have to put on 55 lbs (of mostly muscle), be able to dribble the ball btwn his legs while running the fast break (which Shaq could do in college), and overall become much quicker and more agile.
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Everyone you're now comparing him to was the #1 overall choice and can dominate. As for your size disparities, you're definitely shading against Oden. He's considerably larger than all of the other guys and will only get larger. He's explosive as an athlete, much like Howard, and big.

Finally, you're pushing giving away all credibility by calling Duncan quick.
 
#75
#75
BigPapaVol said:
Everyone you're now comparing him to was the #1 overall choice and can dominate. As for your size disparities, you're definitely shading against Oden. He's considerably larger than all of the other guys and will only get larger. He's explosive as an athlete, much like Howard, and big.

Finally, you're pushing giving away all credibility by calling Duncan quick.
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Who cares if they're #1 picks? The point is, there are many, many players who are already better than Oden, just as athletic, and also really big and tall. And to say he's the best player in a generation is just not accurate.

And Duncan isn't quick? Compared to the other 6'11, 260 lb. guys in the league? I wonder how he's gotten his 20+ points and 11+ rebounds during his career.
 
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