Obviously uga will win the east so.....

[VegasVol]

Your willingness to exchange Hunter and Rogers for King and Brown really tells me all I need to know... or really affirms what I already knew. You have a determined bias against pretty much any and everything regarding UT right now.

First, I'm saying I'm willing to take Charles, King, Brown & their best freshman WR over Rogers, Hunter, Rivera and our best freshman WR. I'd consider just Hunter & Rogers against just Brown and King as even.

Second, it's not an anti-UT bias; I obviously hope our wideouts/tight ends do better than the UGA receivers; I just don't expect it. Nor is such an opinion an unusual one. The media has more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; the coaches have more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; and other third-party commentators, like Steele, are the same.

 

[VegasVol]

Agreed. How can you compare Murray's stats with Brays. Bray hasn't even played a whole season yet.

Precisely why it's reasonable to assume Murray is better than Bray, in terms of proven ability, at this juncture.

 

[VegasVol]

According to your consistent pattern of posts here, veryone else is great and has no problems. UT is horrible, poorly coached, riddled with talent gaps, and getting worse.

You're mistaken. Vegas sees it the same way; so do most media forecasts. You do realize we are underdogs in 6 games, right? You do realize that is the most number of games in one season that we've ever been an underdog in? Do you think it because they all have some big conspiratorial "dark bias" against Tennessee?

Everyone else isn't "great and has no problems." I, and you, can itemize a host of problems for any program. My only point is Tennessee has more problems than those programs do, principally due to our talent level relative to our competition. You think our talent level comparable to those programs; I don't. We just disagree. It's not a matter of rose-colored glasses for you or "dark bias" for me; it's a difference of opinion. I hope you're right; I just don't anticipate it.

 

[theFallGuy]

Precisely why it's reasonable to assume Murray is better than Bray, in terms of proven ability, at this juncture.

I see what you are saying, however, your stats can be misleading. The fact remains that despite his pass/comp % UGA only beat UT, Vandy, Kensucky. That is a fail of epic proportions for a highly touted team.

 

[Tennesseevols311]

Vegasvol-All that is being realized from ur posts in this thread is that u are more likely to be wearing red and black on gamedays that Orange and white. You seem to see absolutely no positives in the Tennessee program and appear to be a complete negavol in every stance u take on anything UT football....

Just another opinion...

 

[Incipient]

You do realize we are underdogs in 6 games, right? You do realize that is the most number of games in one season that we've ever been an underdog in? Do you think it because they all have some big conspiratorial "dark bias" against Tennessee?
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If you take opening lines, we were underdogs in seven games last year (eight including the bowl).

 

[DarthVisor]

UF or UT will win the East. USCjr already used up its 1 in every 15 years or so chance to play in the SECCG.

Solid logic.
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[VolsRule]

the winner of the uga-usc game will likely be the east winner. Ga should beat fla this year.

 

[theFallGuy]

the winner of the uga-usc game will likely be the east winner. Ga should beat fla this year.

My money is on USC. Mark it.

:salute:

 

[volinexile17]

Second, it's not an anti-UT bias; I obviously hope our wideouts/tight ends do better than the UGA receivers; I just don't expect it. Nor is such an opinion an unusual one. The media has more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; the coaches have more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; and other third-party commentators, like Steele, are the same.

Plenty of people, in and out of the fan base, share your skepticism of our team this year. I think the reaction that sjt and others are having to your posts is because of a willingness to give the benefit of the doubt to other programs, but not the Vols.

First, you say UGAs O-line issues are inconsequential, which is ludicrous. That line is less talented and only marginally more experienced than our line was last year.

Next, you seem to think Aaron Murray is better than Tyler Bray. Murray is a wonderful talent and has a bright future, but I don’t think anything suggests he is better or worse than Bray at this point. He got shredded in the bowl game against UCF when he was under pressure (underscoring the O-line problem). He only went over 300 yards once. It was an overtime game against UF and he completed less than 50% of his passes. Bray did it 5 times and was on pace to do it against USCe.

Murray also over-relied on AJ Green, which Mark Richt has said. In 5 games without Green, some against admittedly good teams, Murray completed 53% of his passes for 1100 yards with 8 TDs and 3 INTs. Not remarkably different than Bray.

You also say you would take King/Brown for Hunter/Rogers. I guarantee 90 of 100 UGA fans would make that trade and laugh in your face. In two seasons, Brown has managed 13 receptions for 148 yards and 1 TD. Both Hunter and Rogers eclipsed those numbers as freshman. In fact, Hunter has more TDs for his career than King and Brown do combined in 5 seasons.

Sure – UT still has a talent gap, but it’s not nearly as wide as it has been in the past few seasons. I feel like there are plenty of things to be optimistic about within our program, and I’d rather give the Vols a break than the Dawgs.

 

[Aaron2406]

I think South Carolina wins the east, I would say UT has a better chance than UGA, UGA does not play well at Neyland. Btw I am still under the impression Caleb King transferred because he is afraid of a certain DE he was exposed to last year. Georgia's defense will be better, but their offense really took a big step back imo.

 

[volinexile17]

King was academically ineligible and is entering the NFL Supplemental Draft. Ealey transferred.

 

[sjt18]

I would add WR to UT and possibly QB (inexperience)

UGA may have OL depth issues, but first 5 are stout and experienced.

USC's QB has over 7,000 career passing yards, and 5 years experience, I don't care what you say about his off field stuff, he is the conference's 2nd best passer in efficiancy, % compl (62%), TD's and he has beaten some big teams, like Bama. Way more experience than Bray or Simms, so if you list QB for USC, list it for UT.

When Garcia is your QB... you never know if he'll show up or who he'll be when he does. Sometimes he's as good as his talent says he can be. Sometimes he's a huge choker.... and that's before we start talking about his off field issues or the beating he's going to take behind that OL.

 

[sjt18]

First, I'm saying I'm willing to take Charles, King, Brown & their best freshman WR over Rogers, Hunter, Rivera and our best freshman WR. I'd consider just Hunter & Rogers against just Brown and King as even.

And that would be absolutely ridiculous. That says everything anyone here needs to know about you.

Second, it's not an anti-UT bias; I obviously hope our wideouts/tight ends do better than the UGA receivers; I just don't expect it.

Of course... but it isn't negative bias... just a resolve to discount or disregard any and everything positive concerning UT or negative concerning a rival.

Nor is such an opinion an unusual one. The media has more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; the coaches have more Georgia wideouts/tight ends on the pre-season all-SEC team than Tennessee's; and other third-party commentators, like Steele, are the same.

And what is the history of pre-season all conference teams?

And who exactly are you referring to? Charles, right?

For that matter, one of those is chosen from guys who are nominated by the HC. It was asserted here that DD didn't nominate several guys who might have made it otherwise.

 

[sjt18]

FTR, UT has questions. All of the East teams do. If you want to mix and match... that's fine. But to deny that each team in the East has weaknesses that could be fatal to their season is just idiotic.

I don't personally question the UT WR position simply because of talent. I DO question UGA's WR's because of talent and what they've done with the opportunities they've been given. UT barring a big showing from Clear or Downs will more than likely be "serviceable" at TE.

To me it is ridiculous to put that much faith in Crowell who has yet to do anything at all in the SEC based on nothing but potential then to dismiss the enormous talent of two guys who have at least given a glimpse of what they can be for UT at WR.

 

[strongtower]

With UGA's problem with their RB position they'll be lucky to come in third more or less first.

 

[sjt18]

First, I'm saying I'm willing to take... their best freshman WR ... our best freshman WR.
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I am thinking you are one of the guys who likes to harp on ratings and rankings. According to Rivals, Arnett was the #12 WR while UGA's WR best recruit was #32.

 

[UGA insider]

I am thinking you are one of the guys who likes to harp on ratings and rankings. According to Rivals, Arnett was the #12 WR while UGA's WR best recruit was #32.

What you don't realize is that we have Malcom Mitchell (top CB last year) who will definitely get some playing time at WR. The upperclassmen have been raving about this kid. Very talented and hard working young man. I'm expecting some contributions from him this year.

 

[k one]

no ga will not be that good. look for 7 or 8 wins and a new coach next yr.

 

[sjt18]

You're mistaken. Vegas sees it the same way; so do most media forecasts. You do realize we are underdogs in 6 games, right? You do realize that is the most number of games in one season that we've ever been an underdog in? Do you think it because they all have some big conspiratorial "dark bias" against Tennessee?

No. It is because UT has question marks.... just like UGA. If UGA played LSU, Ark, and Bama... they'd be underdogs in those games.

If UGA plays better D then I believe they'll win the East. They get USCe at home... and until they show they've got an OL I won't believe it.

You think our talent level comparable to those programs; I don't..

I don't believe that across the board. I do believe UT has more talent at the WR position and OL and RB than UGA and especially if you consider depth. Lump the RB's together and Crowell may have the most talent of any individual. Take them as groups, UT has more... and more proven talent.

I find it somewhat funny too that you cite hype as proof... but I suspect would just as easily ignore the hype if it favored UT in one position or another like you did with Arnett vs Scott-Wesley.

 

[sjt18]

What you don't realize is that we have Malcom Mitchell (top CB last year) who will definitely get some playing time at WR. The upperclassmen have been raving about this kid. Very talented and hard working young man. I'm expecting some contributions from him this year.

That may be true but it kind of reinforces the point I was making with Vegas. If you have no issues at WR then you don't convert a great CB to WR.

I am not predicting that you won't resolve your issues... but you definitely have them.

 

[sjt18]

no ga will not be that good. look for 7 or 8 wins and a new coach next yr.

Disagree. Take a look at the schedule. They have about six games that they can almost mail in. Their away games are Ole Miss, UT, Vandy, and GT.

IMO, UT looks like the only reasonably possible loss out of that group.

I agree with many before... this is basically UT '07 except more of the schedule is weak.

 

[UGA insider]

That may be true but it kind of reinforces the point I was making with Vegas. If you have no issues at WR then you don't convert a great CB to WR.

I am not predicting that you won't resolve your issues... but you definitely have them.

We're not that bad at WR actually. This kid is just too good not to be used a WR. The kid was the top CB last year and opened many eyes on offense. It's early but I believe this kid is the real deal. Bama guys were very upset with not landing this kid, some of their fans believe he was their top target last year. We did not convert him from anything, he wants to play WR at the next level. I just brought this up because you were talking about rankings.

 

[hungryvol]

I think 8 is attainable for UGA, but I would be pretty surprised if they get to 9 or even 10. That Boise loss early can hurt, they can stumble in a few of their other early-season games, and then the sharks start surrounding Richt.

 

[UGA insider]

9 wins is my call.