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#26
#26
I watch college football starting Thursday then Friday and all day Sat. until I fall asleep around midnight or after.....and the OP is right what he says about other teams offense. It is fun to watch. Our offense is a total cluster and I'm not sure what we even are trying to do. Right now we don't have a QB that can win many games against good defenses much less great defenses.

Dobbs helped mask a lot of Butch's offensive malfunctions. For the most part our WRs have been bad under Butch...same with the OL. We are a soft offensive team and we play soft. When you have a almost complete changeover in staff the past 4 years and you are still having the same issues....IMO, you can point the finger at one person and that's the head man in charge. Right now we are a bad football team.
 
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#28
#28
it all comes back to play calling??not creative enough????

Predictable even. Out of one set we generally run, out of the other we generally pass. If Dormady looks over the defense more than a second or two we pass, if he just glances, we run. Combine these two patterns and the backs and safeties can key in.
 
#29
#29
It all comes down to coaching, especially on offense. Well coached teams don't have the problems that we have, problems that have been pretty consistent since Butch has been here. Butch had a chance in the offense to really upgrade his offensive staff and failed miserably at that, for whatever reason. Maybe Butch doesn't have the respect of the coaching community and has trouble attracting assistants. Maybe he doesn't want anyone better than him on staff? Maybe the university penny pinched when it came to hiring assistants. Who really knows, but we do know that it's going to be his undoing.
 
#30
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Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

Other than those things, we are pretty good.
 
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#31
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One main thing on defense that just makes no sense, we make contact fairly quick but instead of punishing the ball carrier we try and stand him up and strip the ball which leads to an additional 2-3yrds before the back goes down! Drives me insane to see this
 
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#32
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I agree that the defensive line played a little better in the last game but they were unable to sustain any consistency as the game wore on.

That's because a defense cannot keep continually going back out on the field after multiple 3 and outs, sometimes 1 (or 2) and out after TOs. Especially for a D that does not have great depth at key positions. I actually thought the D played pretty well in the early going against UGA, but UGA is able to keep rotating 5 high-quality backs into the game, so those guys come in with fresh legs, and that spells disaster for a defense that is wearing down as the game progresses and is getting no help from its offense. SC won't be able to keep feeding fresh RBs into the game.
 
#33
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Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.
You can sum all of this up by saying this is a very poorly coached team.
 
#34
#34
121 is great one play then bad the next. Then they will be good then horrible and then great again. So inconsistent. Fix that and 121 can save CBJ's job.

Take out the superlatives and you'd be right.

They are consistent. Consistently bad. Its just true.
 
#35
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Originally Posted by Backwards K View Post
Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.


In a nutshell, all of this. People want to argue about a particular number of wins or whatever- but when it comes down to it, we just aren't a very good football team. There are obvious deficiencies out there. It becomes apparent when you watch top tier teams, and that is the tier where we belong.

And this is why I was surprised to see Coach Jones approve / let / allow this statement to be made to the press: "The next person that would come in here would look like a genius."
 
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#36
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Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

No one has talked football because the boards negativity tolerance threshold is set at a minimum. For instance, in one post, just like that, you done gone and pegged it out.

You are absolutely correct. This past week I've noticed day by day the fans views on Butch have softened. Just like in the offseason, the longer we go without proof of suckitude, the more we can make believe.

That falls apart however, if you are actually a fan of football. See the football fans among us spent this past weekend watching football. We were undistracted by loyalties and red-faced baboons, so we could watch objectively as good football teams played good football. The conclusion that OP posted is the same, sad faced one that lodged unsolicited and inevitably in my brain as i watched coaches coach and players make plays.

The tennessee vols are not a good football team. They are not average. The talent is not evident. The roster is not loaded.

Either the players are bad and the roster is thin, and the future is bleak. Or the coach is so bad, the scheme is so horrible, the players despise or ignore him, and have not been developed, or placed in the position to succeed, so that the end result is the players play well below their actual talent level.

As a vol fan i hope it is the latter, because that means a new coach can come in and salvage some of the current roster reasonably quickly. As a realist i wonder if both premises combine indistinguishably, or at least the coaching has been so bad, the development, so poor, the transfers so numerous,that the resident, remaining talent is effectively broken for future purposes, and this program is at or below the Dooleymarcation line of football hell.

At any rate this past weekend of good, pure football made me madder at Butch, rather than more hopeful.
 
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That's because a defense cannot keep continually going back out on the field after multiple 3 and outs, sometimes 1 (or 2) and out after TOs. Especially for a D that does not have great depth at key positions. I actually thought the D played pretty well in the early going against UGA, but UGA is able to keep rotating 5 high-quality backs into the game, so those guys come in with fresh legs, and that spells disaster for a defense that is wearing down as the game progresses and is getting no help from its offense. SC won't be able to keep feeding fresh RBs into the game.

Why? Early on, UGA's defense was going right back on the field too and they kept playing shut down defense the whole game. Surely, you don't think UT's defense is as physical as UGA's. In fact, UMass' defense looked more physical than UT's defense.

DaUndergroundman, great post.
 
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#38
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Why? Early on, UGA's defense was going right back on the field too and they kept playing shut down defense the whole game. Surely, you don't think UT's defense is as physical as UGA's. In fact, UMass' defense looked more physical than UT's defense.

DaUndergroundman, great post.

UGA has more depth on D and has many more weapons on offense, particularly at the RB position. Also, that was a hot Saturday early afternoon, and when you are limited in your rotations on D and having to keep sending the same guys out after 3 and outs, even in the 1st half of a game, the guys who have been on the field for awhile are simply not going to have the same fresh legs as those elite RBs UGA is continually rotating into the game. It doesn't matter if it was 1st half or 2nd half; on a hot day, guys are going to tire quicker, especially if they are limited in how they can rotate in and out, and add a string of 3 and outs to it, and guys can lose a step pretty quickly, especially those big guys.
 
#39
#39
At this point, we don't even reach an ''also ran" status. I still find it difficult to find any team left on our schedule that we are as good as or better than....whether we attribute that to coaching or lack of talent or both!
 
#41
#41
The obvious problem is at the top. We can argue that we have some coaches on staff that are doing ok. However, they will ultimately be caught up the the collateral damage of replacing Jones which is a move that desperately needs to happen.
 
#43
#43
Observation based on a Judgemebt or judgement based on an observation

Biopsy, I'd love to hear your rebuttal to my points.

Crazy Ivan, that's my point. The Vols struggle to play defense at a competent level and they can't even do that for any extended period of time.
 
#44
#44
Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.


"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?" Lol
 
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And this is why I was surprised to see Coach Jones approve / let / allow this statement to be made to the press: "The next person that would come in here would look like a genius."

Oh snap! The person who said this was Coach Jones' wife.
 
#46
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Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

Marcus Spears on SEC said Tennessee just doesn't have much talent especially without Jennings and Kirkland just way it is.
 
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#48
Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

--Offensive line - couldn't agree more. Outside of Trey Smith they can't run block. Not a real big surprise here as we haven't had a good offensive line since Jones has been here. Former O-Line coach Mahoney was the worst coach on the team and we promote Wells from within to replace him versus going outside....headscratcher

--WR Corps - I think a lot of this can be contributed to them being young. Malone left a year early and Jennings got hurt during the first game. Josh Smith is a senior but was never meant to be a primary or even secondary option.

--QB Play - I tend to agree with you. It's alarming to me that true Freshman like Kellen Mond at A&M can come in and contribute and we have a guy who is in his 3rd year in the program and looks like a deer in headlights. JG is obviously more talented but he struggles with things like snap count and to be honest the offense looks even more out of sync when he is on the field.

--LB's - The play has been bad but I kind of give them a pass because none of them were projected starters to begin the season. I swear we are the MOST INJURED TEAM IN AMERICA. 2 Years running. Champions

--DLine - I would agree about the pass rush lacking. That being said we are improved up the middle against the run simply by having McKenzie and Tuttle (for some games) back. More alarming to me is how they constantly lose containment to the outside. Nobody ever sets the edge.

--DB's - I think they have actually improved this season under Warren. He was definitely an upgrade from Martinez. That being said they don't like having to tackle in run support so much when the Defensive Ends/Outside LB's lose containment.

--Enjoyed it...kind of nice to talk X and O's instead of the usual Fahr Butch talk.
 
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