Observations

[Backwards K]

Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

 

[Iam4utalways]

121 is great one play then bad the next. Then they will be good then horrible and then great again. So inconsistent. Fix that and 121 can save CBJ's job.

 

[manndingo]

So yer saying we suck...that's a thought I can approve. Was a great weekend of football since Vols weren't playing.

 

[lonelawyer]

You're right on your points. In addition, football is a game of aggression and Butch's team doesn't seem to play fast and aggressive.

 

[volgrad500]

Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

In a nutshell, all of this. People want to argue about a particular number of wins or whatever- but when it comes down to it, we just aren't a very good football team. There are obvious deficiencies out there. It becomes apparent when you watch top tier teams, and that is the tier where we belong.

 

[BeardedVol]

<posting the obvious as a faux discussion about football so I can then put in a zinger to express my dissatisfaction that the board is talking about firing my all time favorite coach>

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

fyp

 

[Power T-Rev]

A simple "we suck" would have sufficed

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

Sounds like you're saying we're poorly coached, but feel free to judge all of the posts that are...you know...predicated on the idea that we're poorly coached.

 

[YankeeVol]

A simple "our coaching sucks" would have sufficed

Fyp

 

[awaitingawin]

Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get o
--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

Maybe you want to take a second look at the Georgia game again...as bad as it is...
But the Tennessee defensive line has improved quite a bit...Hoke is trying to get others involved in the rotation...I have to admit that Phillips and Taylor are coming on nicely...Defensive Tackle Shy Tuttle is back..Vickers...Kongbo....no, they held the line at the first of the Georgia game but the Offense is what is lacking...........You can see Hokes work with the defensive line is improving...great for butler to be there...I sure wish Bennett could have been thrown in as well.....
I love the Bituli play...so I suggest you get a TV with at least 1080P instead of the old black and white...I think Hoke deserves some credit...and please quit painting things with such a broad brush and stop this nonsense..
We have three running backs that are fantastic and a few of the offensive line have improved and we still have one that seems to get beat quite a bit....other than that the offense isnt working...and I hate that for the whole team...
So lets start bragging on the good work we do see

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

I took a weekend off from football...and already knew all of this, but it’s good to see it in writing!

 

[Backwards K]

fyp

You obviously struggle with reading comprehension. Show me one thing in that post that would make you think I am defending Butch Jones.

As mentioned earlier, I apologize for logically discussing the problem. I guess you have a hard time discussing anything deeper than "Butch (stinks) and we should have fired him on the field."

 

[Backwards K]

Maybe you want to take a second look at the Georgia game again...as bad as it is...
But the Tennessee defensive line has improved quite a bit...Hoke is trying to get others involved in the rotation...I have to admit that Phillips and Taylor are coming on nicely...Defensive Tackle Shy Tuttle is back..Vickers...Kongbo....no, they held the line at the first of the Georgia game but the Offense is what is lacking...........You can see Hokes work with the defensive line is improving...great for butler to be there...I sure wish Bennett could have been thrown in as well.....
I love the Bituli play...so I suggest you get a TV with at least 1080P instead of the old black and white...I think Hoke deserves some credit...and please quit painting things with such a broad brush and stop this nonsense..
We have three running backs that are fantastic and a few of the offensive line have improved and we still have one that seems to get beat quite a bit....other than that the offense isnt working...and I hate that for the whole team...
So lets start bragging on the good work we do see

I agree that the defensive line played a little better in the last game but they were unable to sustain any consistency as the game wore on. The DTs still do not collapse the pocket and there is not a speed rusher. Carolina may exploit that this week.

Bituli shows some promise but he wouldn't start for any other SEC team at this point in his career. He could get there and may get there soon. Not yet.

The 3 great RBs and improved OL play averaged less than 2 yd per carry vs UGA. Anyone should be able to see that even on a B&W TV.

While I love your optimism and positive outlook. I try to bring that to the board too. However, coming off the worst loss in Neyland Stadium, it's a little hard to be too positive.

 

[rdk4121]

A lot of the problems on defense stem from the offense sucking. They're on the field too long. Dline is average at pass rush (sacks) and tackles for a loss. Linebackers haven't been great in run support to be honest. Doesn't help when you are down two starters. While I like Colton Jumper decently, he still doesn't have the athleticism to be effective in stopping the run, and Bituli still makes mistakes lining up the defense and missing gaps, etc. He's young though. Having Kirkland would make this defense one of the best in the SEC in my opinion. Secondary has been pretty good as well.

Everything on offense has just been off. Untimely fumbles from RBs (easily the best position group). O-line is inconsistent at pass protection and run blocking. WR either can't get open, or completely drop. QB play has been bad, but it's not fair to put it all on them. It only takes one mistake (bad snap, dropped pass, fumble, missed block) to screw up the entire play and stall the offense. Unfortunately we continually do that. Not all at once, but every figures out how to take their turn at messing up.

 

[awaitingawin]

I agree that the defensive line played a little better in the last game but they were unable to sustain any consistency as the game wore on. The DTs still do not collapse the pocket and there is not a speed rusher. Carolina may exploit that this week.

Bituli shows some promise but he wouldn't start for any other SEC team at this point in his career. He could get there and may get there soon. Not yet.

The 3 great RBs and improved OL play averaged less than 2 yd per carry vs UGA. Anyone should be able to see that even on a B&W TV.

While I love your optimism and positive outlook. I try to bring that to the board too. However, coming off the worst loss in Neyland Stadium, it's a little hard to be too positive.

Bituli shows SOME promise..come on now...also check out Phillips and Taylor again...I had said earlier that Georgia would run through us like hot butter and pass all over us....I was pleasantly surprised with the defense stopping the run in the early going...Georgia has a great offensive line and superb running backs and a good qb..
We cant keep running everyone off...Hoke is doing a very good job....we need to give those who are improving credit...Hoke is trying his best to get a defensive rotation going....I am putting all the blame on the offensive side of the ball...with the exception of the running backs....again, you have to take into account defenses putting 8 in the box because they know we have no passing game...we cant keep getting rid of coaches and expect improvement...with the exception of coach Jones and maybe a couple others...RG is doing a great job.....its time we told their stories and quit throwing everyone into the same basket.....one way to change the conversation is to begin to point out the good....and we have some good...

 

[BeardedVol]

You obviously struggle with reading comprehension. Show me one thing in that post that would make you think I am defending Butch Jones.

As mentioned earlier, I apologize for logically discussing the problem. I guess you have a hard time discussing anything deeper than "Butch (stinks) and we should have fired him on the field."

The point of your post wasn't to discuss football, but rather to complain about board content; no need to pretend otherwise.

 

[Backwards K]

The point of your post wasn't to discuss football, but rather to complain about board content; no need to pretend otherwise.

Since you can read my mind, you should know what I think of you!

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You obviously struggle with reading comprehension. Show me one thing in that post that would make you think I am defending Butch Jones.

As mentioned earlier, I apologize for logically discussing the problem. I guess you have a hard time discussing anything deeper than "Butch (stinks) and we should have fired him on the field."

So how do you fix these problems?

These have been ongoing issues under Jones since he showed up. The O line and WR are obviously playing the way the head man wants them to 5 years into his regime.

The QBs are being coached by the guy Jones brought in to mentor them.

I've been complaining about the soft o line play since they let Coleman Thomas out at RT to get abused by Oklahoma.

Thought the WR rotations were just silly from the beginning. No one ever gets into the flow of the game. The "run-ready" stance was discussed at length on here.

There really isn't much to talk about from a pure football stand point right now. Jones isn't changing anything and made that abundantly clear this past week with his talk of fundamentals.

The man is too stubborn to change his philosophy or turn it over to anyone who could offer a fresh perspective so it's time to change the man running the show.

 

[zidanefan]

To summarize:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both).
--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both.
--Tennessee QB play is awful.
--Tennessee's LBs are awful.
--Tennessee has no pass rush.
--Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams.

Disturbing pattern which perfectly segues into another coaching search thread.

 

[Backwards K]

JGAgent, I think the only way you fix the problems with this offense is by adding a very athletic QB which the Vols do not appear to have on the roster. The only teams you see being real successful with this offense have a QB who can throw adequately but has the ability to make a lot of plays with his feet. Without that, teams just run to the RB and this makes the back and the OL look bad. Also, this scheme struggles on short yardage. I really don't like the scheme.

I"m not sure what is wrong with the WR corps. Losing Jennings was a huge blow but even tho the rest are young, they were all highly rated coming in. They all struggle to get off the line when jammed and get very little if any separation. Plus,their hands aren't great. either. The WR coach is young and just has not developed any of them into a consistent performer.

It's a soft team on both sides of the ball at this point. Plus there are no play makers on the field. Kelly runs hard but not a true HR threat. Calloway has flashed but disappears for long periods of time too. Not sure why the pass blocking has been so bad but the OL coach is new and inexperienced too.

A lot of problems come from having an OC who had been a TE coach and the OL and WR coaches are basically in their first year of coaching their positions at this level. No imagination in the play calling but that may stem from poor OL and QB play.

Dang Zidane! That's what I'm trying to avoid, but, sadly, you are probably right.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I just don't see these problems getting cleared up without a change at the top.

That run-ready stance from the receivers allows them to get jammed easier and when you throw in youth and inconsistent QB play, I don't see a lot of improvement happening.

I haven't liked the O line play at any point under Jones. Most of the rushing yards came from the athleticism of Dobbs Hurd and Kamara more so than any dominant line play.

Kelly runs as hard as any RB we have seen under Jones. Put a legit blocking scheme in front of him and a QB that can actually run and he would be a threat to be one of the better backs ever in Knoxville.

 

[awaitingawin]

I just don't see these problems getting cleared up without a change at the top.

That run-ready stance from the receivers allows them to get jammed easier and when you throw in youth and inconsistent QB play, I don't see a lot of improvement happening.

I haven't liked the O line play at any point under Jones. Most of the rushing yards came from the athleticism of Dobbs Hurd and Kamara more so than any dominant line play.

Kelly runs as hard as any RB we have seen under Jones. Put a legit blocking scheme in front of him and a QB that can actually run and he would be a threat to be one of the better backs ever in Knoxville.

I'll tell you right now that all 3 running backs are special and run hard..all three..but have you noticed they hardly seem to run behind Trey or am I wrong...most run plays seem to be to the other side...

 

[Biopsyman]

Spent the off week watching football games without having to worrying about the Vols. Noticed several things including:

--Tennessee's offensive line is very poorly coached (either scheme or technique or both). It was fun watching other teams' OL firing off the ball and knocking the DL back and opening up running lanes for the backs.

--Tennessee's WR corps is either very short on talent or coaching or both. Almost surprising to see WRs running into the secondary and creating separation from DBs. Also, who knew you could throw intermediate routes in the middle of the field or run combo routes (aka, pick routes) to help receivers get open.

--Tennessee QB play is awful. I know, I know this is obvious but surprising to see teams like Kentucky and South Carolina having QBs who roll out and throw the ball upfield and being athletic enough to make plays with their feet.

Tennessee's LBs are awful. Watch teams like UGA, Texas A&M, and even Mich St and you see LBs filling holes and knocking RBs back and playing sideline to sideline.

Tennessee has no pass rush. Even Big 10 teams DL look fast compared to UT's DEs and especially DTs. Either the players are way overrated or the coaching has been terrible.

Tennessee's defensive backs look small and slow compared to other teams. It was surprising to see how many PBUs other teams have and to see DBs breaking on the ball while it's in the air.

To sum it up, other teams are just fun to watch because they have play makers making plays. Other teams play hard and with a purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what Tennessee is trying to do offensively and the defense is just inept.

I apologize for talking football. Please resume your rumor mongering about Butch's future and who the next coach will be. We need a few more threads on that.

Observation based on a Judgemebt or judgement based on an observation

 

[kayakonthefly]

Out of curiosity, how much would it effect the offense's performance if the defensive backs and safeties could correctly guess run vs pass 85 to 95 percent of the time?

 

[Booker512]

Yep. This post is correct. I’ve noticed this all season bc I usually catch a couple of games on a Saturday. Usually have one on while I’m working in my shop. Etc.

Even teams much, much less talented that ours look very good compared to ours. I watched the Washington state vs Oregon game bc I think Leach is a great coach, and you just SEE them playing at a high level. And then you realize Leach is using talent that equates to 90% 2 star players. They are just well coached. It boggles the mind.

I watched the Miami vs FSU game. Richt absolutely has Miami humming along. And Miami was in about the same situation as Tennessee when Butch came along. Been down for years. Poorly coached. Poorly recruited. Miami doesn’t have NEAR the budget....yet, there they are. Playing and beating their rivals. They even almost beat FSU last year. Lost by 1 point. It’s amazing how badly this team is actually coached. Criminal even.