Observation on our personnel decisions and injuries yesterday

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There is a good summary here, SIAP, but I need this link to make some of my points.

Recapping UT's Injury Situation | Rocky Top Insider

Both Jayshon Robertson and Kendrick played a bit against bammer before being pulled. If they played, how serious are the injuries?

The injuries to McKenzie and Abernathy may not be that serious (just speculating).

Not much information on the Hall and Foreman injuries (but when do we get good info from Butch anyway).

And this last one is important...Barnett only played about half the snaps yesterday. I have been to Tamu and Florida earlier in the year, and I check all personnel on every single play with binocs, it's just what I do. Barnett sat out very rarely in those two games.

So to my point...I am not saying Butch dialed it in yesterday from the get-go, but I think at some point he decided to rest folks and not take a risk of further injury.

That's just how it looks to me. The fact that Barnett had considerable bench time even when it was 21-10 and that we played guys I honestly had never heard of (tatum? Osbourne?) I think speaks volumes.

Butch was more concerned, IMO, at winning out and protecting starters for most of the game yesterday.

It's nothing I can prove, but I suspect we get a bunch back after the bye.

We will see.
 
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It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I could agree with this. Too much on the table for the rest of the season. Rest up, get healthy, win out. GBO
 
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Jashon... always hurt.. time to go with Bowlware as your start mer for the rest of the year
 
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BanditVol said:
There is a good summary here, SIAP, but I need this link to make some of my points.

Recapping UT's Injury Situation | Rocky Top Insider

Both Jayshon Robertson and Kendrick played a bit against bammer before being pulled. If they played, how serious are the injuries?

The injuries to McKenzie and Abernathy may not be that serious (just speculating).

Not much information on the Hall and Foreman injuries (but when do we get good info from Butch anyway).

And this last one is important...Barnett only played about half the snaps yesterday. I have been to Tamu and Florida earlier in the year, and I check all personnel on every single play with binocs, it's just what I do. Barnett sat out very rarely in those two games.

So to my point...I am not saying Butch dialed it in yesterday from the get-go, but I think at some point he decided to rest folks and not take a risk of further injury.

That's just how it looks to me. The fact that Barnett had considerable bench time even when it was 21-10 and that we played guys I honestly had never heard of (tatum? Osbourne?) I think speaks volumes.

Butch was more concerned, IMO, at winning out and protecting starters for most of the game yesterday.

It's nothing I can prove, but I suspect we get a bunch back after the bye.

We will see.
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Robertson did not play against Alabama. He was injured versus A&M. Kendrick was hurt versus Bama and did not return after injury. They were not pulled.

I think CBJ did protect some players and save them for the rest of the way.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Tatum was not close to being ready for Bama. Guess Hall got hurt when the Bama dude steamrolled him.
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you are right. He went down in an awkward way. The last thing the staff wanted to do was play Tatum. Hall must be hurting.
 
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Ace said:
Robertson did not play against Alabama. He was injured versus A&M. Kendrick was hurt versus Bama and did not return after injury. They were not pulled.

I think CBJ did protect some players and save them for the rest of the way.
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According to the link he did, and I myself saw him in the game early yesterday.

I forgot to record it, but I'll try to catch the replay on SECN and confirm. (Don't really want to, but...:))
 
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BanditVol said:
There is a good summary here, SIAP, but I need this link to make some of my points.

Recapping UT's Injury Situation | Rocky Top Insider

Both Jayshon Robertson and Kendrick played a bit against bammer before being pulled. If they played, how serious are the injuries?

The injuries to McKenzie and Abernathy may not be that serious (just speculating).

Not much information on the Hall and Foreman injuries (but when do we get good info from Butch anyway).

And this last one is important...Barnett only played about half the snaps yesterday. I have been to Tamu and Florida earlier in the year, and I check all personnel on every single play with binocs, it's just what I do. Barnett sat out very rarely in those two games.

So to my point...I am not saying Butch dialed it in yesterday from the get-go, but I think at some point he decided to rest folks and not take a risk of further injury.

That's just how it looks to me. The fact that Barnett had considerable bench time even when it was 21-10 and that we played guys I honestly had never heard of (tatum? Osbourne?) I think speaks volumes.

Butch was more concerned, IMO, at winning out and protecting starters for most of the game yesterday.

It's nothing I can prove, but I suspect we get a bunch back after the bye.

We will see.
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bUTch is playing a psych. game on Saban. He played our second level players most of the game and allowed the blow out.
When we play O Bama again in December, Saban will think that they can blow out again, as they did yesterday. That is when we catch them off guard and win the S.E.C. Championship game.
Remember, technically, yesterday we lost to an NFL team...........
 
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I noticed Barnett on the sideline a lot as well. My only thought would be that they were letting him rest intermittently, but even then, he hasn't needed that much rest in this year's previous games. Definitely peculiar.

I also noticed several plays where we ran 2 wideouts with Malone and George. I don't understand how you put George in the game and not Jennings. And not to beat a dead horse, but it really raises some questions when people in the stands know what play we are gonna run. How can our coaches not see that if us laypeople can see it, the opposing team can too?
 
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supersmo18 said:
It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I could agree with this. Too much on the table for the rest of the season. Rest up, get healthy, win out. GBO
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Smo I agree as well. It may not play well with some people but you can certainly see the logic in it.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Tatum was not close to being ready for Bama. Guess Hall got hurt when the Bama dude steamrolled him.
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Which time? Several to choose from. And that's not necessarily to poke fun at Chance, Tim Williams is just that good. Man among boys out there.
 
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KBVol said:
Which time? Several to choose from. And that's not necessarily to poke fun at Chance, Tim Williams is just that good. Man among boys out there.
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Where is our man among boys? Bama has nothing but men in their 2 deep. Thought KMac would be that but I am underwhelmed so far with him.
 
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It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I could agree with this. Too much on the table for the rest of the season. Rest up, get healthy, win out. GBO
 
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This is the list put together by Mike Griffith of SEC Country. Which ones can realistically be expected back in 7 days in order to participate in game week practice?

Tennessee injury/attrition list

DT Kahlil McKenzie (upper body), vs. Alabama

DT Kendal Vickers (unknown), vs. Texas A&M & vs. Alabama

DT Alexis Johnson (unknown), practice

CB Cam Sutton (broken ankle), vs. Ohio

LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder), vs. Ohio

LB Darrin Kirkland Jr. (ankle), vs. Virginia Tech

LB Cortez McDowell (head), vs. Georgia

LB Quart’e Sapp (knee), vs. Ohio

CB Malik Foreman (unknown), unknown

S Micah Abernathy (hamstring), vs. Alabama

LG Jashon Robertson (leg), vs Texas A&M

C Dylan Wiesman (head), vs. Texas A&M

LT Brett Kendrick (ankle), vs. Alabama

RT Chance Hall (unknown), vs. Alabama

*DT Danny O’Brien (dismissed)

*WR Preston Williams (left team)
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https://www.seccountry.com/tennesse...rs-upper-body-injury-could-miss-extended-time
 
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BanditVol said:
There is a good summary here, SIAP, but I need this link to make some of my points.

Recapping UT's Injury Situation | Rocky Top Insider

Both Jayshon Robertson and Kendrick played a bit against bammer before being pulled. If they played, how serious are the injuries?

The injuries to McKenzie and Abernathy may not be that serious (just speculating).

Not much information on the Hall and Foreman injuries (but when do we get good info from Butch anyway).

And this last one is important...Barnett only played about half the snaps yesterday. I have been to Tamu and Florida earlier in the year, and I check all personnel on every single play with binocs, it's just what I do. Barnett sat out very rarely in those two games.

So to my point...I am not saying Butch dialed it in yesterday from the get-go, but I think at some point he decided to rest folks and not take a risk of further injury.

That's just how it looks to me. The fact that Barnett had considerable bench time even when it was 21-10 and that we played guys I honestly had never heard of (tatum? Osbourne?) I think speaks volumes.

Butch was more concerned, IMO, at winning out and protecting starters for most of the game yesterday.

It's nothing I can prove, but I suspect we get a bunch back after the bye.

We will see.
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It might have been a really smart move. No way we were going to win the way things were going. As in poker, live to fight another day. If all is lost, and it was obvious, why risk more injuries to key players and at the same time give some other guys some playing experience. We had too many key player injuries already and two more during this game. No shame in being smart about it. When someone else beats Bama with even half the injuries we have then come back and argue with me.
 
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Mckenzie injury may be pretty serious. Might be another one out for an extended period.
 
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This Griffith post is worthy of a thread. It pulls it all together. Guys, this is just about unprecedented I would have to think. There are 16 players on that list and I believe 14 have been starters. Think about it. More than half your starting lineups.

And still we have morons who do nothing but harp on coaching.
 
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I can see how this is plausible. I don't really look to see who did and didn't play until I rewatch the game unless something just sticks out to me. I get resting Barnett but I hope he didnt. Barnett is leading for SEC DPOY as of now and he was killing Bama yesterday when he was in, had he gotten a sack more or a TFL more he could've locked it up. He's also started to soar up draft boards. IMO, it would be a great look for our program to have a SEC DPOY right now.
 
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KBVol said:
Which time? Several to choose from. And that's not necessarily to poke fun at Chance, Tim Williams is just that good. Man among boys out there.
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The one that stands out to me is when Williams put his hand in Halls chest and pushed him down with ease. Then sacked Dobbs. Like he shot Hall with a taser gun.
 
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TexasVolfan1 said:
I agree I think they just tried to minimize losses this game
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I wish they'd had that thought during the Ohio game. We are still reeling from the injuries - other than not being a loss, the OH game was pretty much a complete disaster
 
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BanditVol said:
According to the link he did, and I myself saw him in the game early yesterday.

I forgot to record it, but I'll try to catch the replay on SECN and confirm. (Don't really want to, but...:))
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I missed it. I never saw him play. He could have played in extra point or fg situation, if mobility was limited.

He may have tried it and could not go. Nevertheless, they were not pulled from game. If healthy Robertson and Kendrick would have played.
 
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