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#101
please list the last person "like reagan" that hasn't got elected by the republican party?
 
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Vol Doll said:
Excuse, me but the Republican party of Ronald Reagan may not be enough for those of you today, but in the day, it was how I viewed the world. The nuclear threat we faced in that day was real and present. It isn't today.

It's sad that Ronald Reagan would not be considered conservative enough today.
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It's pretty clear you have no clue what Reagan stood for. He would not be for socialized medicine and he would not be advocating reducing our defense like you are. He built our military back up after Carter destroyed it.
 
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Vol Doll said:
I spent a long time reading through forums before I started posting. Go back and check if you don't believe it.
I'm not saying there aren't those on the left that haven't thrown personal attacks. I just think that it's rude and inappropriate to attack someone personally regardless of their stance. It makes you look like a bully.
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GTFO with this "Republicans are bullies" crap. Democrats are the ones who forced the healthcare debacle into law, in case you don't remember.
 
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Vol Doll said:
I was a poli sci major, so get off your high horse about presuming you're the only ones with a brain around here. But, then again, you aren't in the majority in this country anymore so I guess you need to flaunt in the few places you can.

who is you? males? Republicans?

If you all would welcome Ronald Reagan with open arms, then why can't you all seem to get people like him elected?? You've allowed your party to be completely dominated by right wing fascists and the christian coalition. THAT's why Reagan isn't conservative enough. Look inward on that one guys.

what in the heck are you talking about? how did "we" whoever that is allow this to happen? who are the right wing fascists?

And exactly where is this real nuclear threat coming from??
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You said you've been reading this forum for a while. If so, you'd notice that most of the people you are bashing are mildly at best aligned with the R party but widely support the principles of Reagan.

Your own comments suggest you are not in line with Reagan principles.
 
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Ronald Reagan mastered the art of talking like a conservative zealot and governing like a political moderate.
*he appointed pro-abortion supreme court justices, signed a permissive abortion bill into law in California, and never introduced an anti-abortion bill.
*the Economic Recovery Act + Tax Equity and Responsibility Act + Social Security Reform Act = the largest re-distribution of wealth this country has ever experienced.
*In his presidency he added 60,000 government workers. Clinton slashed 400,000.

The list could go on, but I ask you: when is the last time the Republican party elected someone LIKE him? They all like to act like they're Reagan Republicans so the donations will flow, but in practice, Ronald Reagan was nothing like today's conservatives who are leading the party.
 
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No, I'm no longer a Republican. That was when I was young and stupid. I had a change of heart and enlightenment in the same fashion Thomas Jefferson did.

As to who isn't in the majority? I mean the GOP as it is today.

Who allowed it to happen? If the majority here are pro Reagan then unfortunately you are the minority of the GOP; and you may want to form a new party.
 
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Vol Doll said:
Ronald Reagan mastered the art of talking like a conservative zealot and governing like a political moderate.
*he appointed pro-abortion supreme court justices, signed a permissive abortion bill into law in California, and never introduced an anti-abortion bill.
*the Economic Recovery Act + Tax Equity and Responsibility Act + Social Security Reform Act = the largest re-distribution of wealth this country has ever experienced.
*In his presidency he added 60,000 government workers. Clinton slashed 400,000.

The list could go on, but I ask you: when is the last time the Republican party elected someone LIKE him? They all like to act like they're Reagan Republicans so the donations will flow, but in practice, Ronald Reagan was nothing like today's conservatives who are leading the party.
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The people running the party today are not conservatives for the most part, but there are conservatives in power.
 
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Vol Doll said:
*the Economic Recovery Act + Tax Equity and Responsibility Act + Social Security Reform Act = the largest re-distribution of wealth this country has ever experienced.
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complete and utter garbage

the wealthy pay a far higher % of taxes in this country than they did when carter was president.
 
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I didn't say how much they were paying, I was saying it was the largest re-distribution of wealth in this country's history. Every one seems to say that Obama is the socialist wanting to re-distribute money, but it works BOTH ways.
 
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#110
in what world do you live where lowering taxes on EVERYBODY is redistrubuting wealth? reagan eliminated multiple tax loopholes that allowed the ultra rich to not pay taxes at all. with the amt and such there is no free ride currently. it's a much fairer system.
 
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Vol Doll said:
No, I'm no longer a Republican. That was when I was young and stupid. I had a change of heart and enlightenment in the same fashion Thomas Jefferson did.

As to who isn't in the majority? I mean the GOP as it is today.

Who allowed it to happen? If the majority here are pro Reagan then unfortunately you are the minority of the GOP; and you may want to form a new party.
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The GOP losses elections when they are not conservative enough, when they lose their conservative principles.
 
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#112
The nation's wealthiest are taxed lower now than they ever have been.I'm not arguing HOW anyone is taxed, I'm merely pointing out that if you're against re-distribution of wealth you should know Ronald Reagan presided over it (with a GOP Congress). The net effect of those three tax bills (mentioned above) was a tax reduction for the wealthiest Americans, and tax increases on the lower and middle class, completing the largest redistribution of wealth in American history.

Ronald Reagan, conservative God, a man who walks on water in the eyes of many, raised taxes, exploded the deficits, enabled 2,000,000 abortions in California, expanded existing agencies and created new ones, doubled the size of government and tripled Carter's deficits.

Nope, Palin is about as conservative as they come. (Just to name the most obvious one).
 
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Vol Doll said:
The net effect of those three tax bills (mentioned above) was a tax reduction for the wealthiest Americans, and tax increases on the lower and middle class, completing the largest redistribution of wealth in American history.
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he absolutely did not raise marginal taxes on the lower and middle class. learn some history the lower and middle class pay a FAR LOWER % of the tax burden than they did before reagon. so how are they getting penalized?
 
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#114
Ever heard of the Economic Recovery Act, Tax EQUITY and Fiscal Responsibility Act, or the Social Security Reform Act???

Why don't you learn how to read.
 
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nothing reagan passed raised taxes on the poor or middle class. you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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volfanjustin said:
The GOP losses elections when they are not conservative enough, when they lose their conservative principles.
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You're either joking or don't know any better. Hardcore conservatives are NEVER going to govern this country with a majority. The Christian right has ruined the republican party. I think it is so funny when the far right claims Reagan as one of their own. Reagan never did anything while in office to support the far right.
 
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truefan said:
You're either joking or don't know any better. Hardcore conservatives are NEVER going to govern this country with a majority. The Christian right has ruined the republican party. I think it is so funny when the far right claims Reagan as one of their own. Reagan never did anything while in office to support the far right.
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You have no clue what you are talking about, the Rs lost the elections in 2006 because they got away from their conservative principles. McCain lost because their is little difference between him and Barry and because Bush spent like a liberal. Reagan was a small and limited gov't conservative. This country is still a center-right country.
 
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Vol Doll said:
The nation's wealthiest are taxed lower now than they ever have been.I'm not arguing HOW anyone is taxed, I'm merely pointing out that if you're against re-distribution of wealth you should know Ronald Reagan presided over it (with a GOP Congress). The net effect of those three tax bills (mentioned above) was a tax reduction for the wealthiest Americans, and tax increases on the lower and middle class, completing the largest redistribution of wealth in American history.

Ronald Reagan, conservative God, a man who walks on water in the eyes of many, raised taxes, exploded the deficits, enabled 2,000,000 abortions in California, expanded existing agencies and created new ones, doubled the size of government and tripled Carter's deficits.

Nope, Palin is about as conservative as they come. (Just to name the most obvious one).
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Unless Reagan's tax bill increased tax rates on the lower and middle class this is not wealth redistribution.

Wealth redistribution (via the government which is what we are talking about) is when the government takes from one group and either gives the money directly to another or creates benefits for another.

Reducing the tax rate of higher income individuals more than reducing that of lower income individuals is not redistribution. The government is not as a result taking more wealth from a group of people than it previously did.
 
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truefan said:
You're either joking or don't know any better. Hardcore conservatives are NEVER going to govern this country with a majority. The Christian right has ruined the republican party. I think it is so funny when the far right claims Reagan as one of their own. Reagan never did anything while in office to support the far right.
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the core of conservatism is belief in the individual over the gov't. it has nothign to do with the christian right. it is absolutely true that mccain and others (like romney) were much stronger believers in the gov't as solution than most conservatives and that this alienated the base.
 
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truefan said:
The majority of the country is either center right or center left.
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too simple. I'd say the majority of this country is or is becoming fiscally conservative and for less rather than more government. That type of candidate can win.

Dems have ejected moderates just as Reps have.
 
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volfanjustin said:
You have no clue what you are talking about, the Rs lost the elections in 2006 because they got away from their conservative principles. McCain lost because their is little difference between him and Barry and because Bush spent like a liberal. Reagan was a small and limited gov't conservative. This country is still a center-right country.
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uhhh, yeah, and that's why Obama won by such a narrow margin. Take off the blinders.
 
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Vol Doll said:
uhhh, yeah, and that's why Obama won by such a narrow margin. Take off the blinders.
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I just explained to you some of the reason he won, the other reason is because people liked what he said about bringing us together and didn't actually pay attention to his past associations and actions and who he really is.
 
#125
#125
Electoral politics was one of my favorite areas of study so I'll be glad to explain it to you. I don't remember who said it, but they were spot on when they said Americans will vote center left or center right.
He won by such a large number because 1) Bush 2) Iraq 3) Lack of a good Republican alternative.
Think about it: why else was Palin brought in but to energize the base. That base, that shrinking, close minded base, is why Republicans are losing elections. Candidates haven't quite learned that America (and a lot of Republicans) don't follow that hard core line. It's a mystery to me. Maybe they'll figure it out before 2012.

We tend to be a little insular here in East TN (I know not everyone is from here) and because it's SO red here it's hard for others to imagine the rest of the country isn't the same way, but it ISN'T. That doesn't mean anyone expects you to fall in line with what others believe, but stop kidding yourselves as to where this country stands. Look at map. The GOP is the party of the Deep South and until that changes, you won't win the White House for a long time.

Sorry to borrow a quote (I can't remember who it is): but the majority of Americans will take the calm black man over the crazy tea baggers any day.
 
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