Obama to sanction Russia for hacking

[Septic]

I realize that my story is anecdotal. Your mileage may vary.

You may realize this but the average trump neophyte could never comprehend or accept that he or she was influenced by anything other than god.

 

[volprof]

Americans are supposed to believe this? Lol.

Show some REAL proof....Russia, Putin, Gucifer, USSR keywords wont cut it anymore...

You wouldn't know evidence if it hit you straight in your big fat Kremlin kisser.

 

[Grand Vol]

Guns weren't put to heads, kids weren't kidnapped. The inference was that the thumb was on the scale...

The trickle of damaging information about may not have explicitly caused her to lose, but any fool should understand that having those distractions was a net gain for her opponents campaign.

Let me ask you this, which one of the following caused more damage to Hillary's campaign:

1. Wikileaks emails the majority of the media largely ignored?

2. Director Comey reopening the investigation so close to the election?

And there is no "all of the above" answer in this one.

 

[volprof]

Surely you aren't trying to pass this off as proof or truth?!

It's no Assad-funded source proclaiming to have caught 14 NATO intelligence officers in an Aleppo bunker, but it will have to do for now.

 

[Septic]

Geez dude, did you miss your meds this morning?

You said:

So, the problem was that America had an informed electorate.

Bad look, sep. Bad look.

I replied:

I never stated it was "a problem." You asserted that; again you're making arguments against points you want me to be making.

Then you say:

I never said you said it was a problem. I said the administration is calling it a problem, and it's a bad look for them].

 

[Orange_Crush]

Geez dude, did you miss your meds this morning?

You said:



I replied:



Then you say:

Sigh. I quoted myself as well, in context of what I had already said. What's your beef? I apologize for my vaguery? I guess?

Again, I figured you would read that within the context of the post I'd already made about the adminisration making a problem of the informed electorate and it being a bad look for the democrats? Explicitly.

Look down:

Personally, I suspect they are trying to pin the wikileaks on Russia, which basically boils down to blaming Russia that America had an informed electorate--a REALLY bad look for the Dems, if so.

 

[volprof]

I like what Sen. Graham said yesterday from Tallinn, alongside Sen. McCain. He said that the matter alone warrants investigation, but what some of his Republican colleagues (and by extension, many Republican and/or Trump voters) may not yet understand is that today it was the Hillary and the Democrats, but tomorrow it may very well be the Republicans or a Republican candidate. The Kremlin, as he said, does not care about partisan American politics. It simply cares about its own interests and what it thinks is best for it. Should a Republican candidate, or even Trump himself (at a later date, obviously), not prove as friendly to the Kremlin as Candidate Trump, then s/he may be the Kremlin's target.

But, most importantly, he said that not acting on this will only embolden our enemies. Today, it was Russia, but tomorrow it may be North Korea, Iran, China, who knows. Any country that thinks they can get away with meddling in our elections simply because Americans are so stupid they can't unite against a clear threat and would rather level accusations at one another or whine about "lack of evidence" like a stupid, whipped dog.

I think this is ultimately what many are failing to grasp, either because they are gloating in the victory of the moment or because they don't have a problem with Russia necessarily.

 

[Septic]

Let me ask you this, which one of the following caused more damage to Hillary's campaign:

1. Wikileaks emails the majority of the media largely ignored?

2. Director Comey reopening the investigation so close to the election?

And there is no "all of the above" answer in this one.

What? Outside of your clearly biased belief that the "media largely ignored it", which is both subjective as it is plausible - that's like asking whether which is worse, breaking your leg or breaking your arm. All of the above is my answer.

 

[Velo Vol]

Americans are supposed to believe this? Lol.

Show some REAL proof....Russia, Putin, Gucifer, USSR keywords wont cut it anymore...

Most of VolNation doesn't care what happens in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Syria, etc.

But at last you found an issue where you have supporters for your Kremlin talking points.

Congrats!

 

[Orange_Crush]

I like what Sen. Graham said yesterday from Tallinn, alongside Sen. McCain. He said that the matter alone warrants investigation, but what some of his Republican colleagues (and by extension, many Republican and/or Trump voters) may not yet understand is that today it was the Hillary and the Democrats, but tomorrow it may very well be the Republicans or a Republican candidate. The Kremlin, as he said, does not care about partisan American politics. It simply cares about its own interests and what it thinks is best for it. Should a Republican candidate, or even Trump himself (at a later date, obviously), not prove as friendly to the Kremlin as Candidate Trump, then s/he may be the Kremlin's target.

But, most importantly, he said that not acting on this will only embolden our enemies. Today, it was Russia, but tomorrow it may be North Korea, Iran, China, who knows. Any country that thinks they can get away with meddling in our elections simply because Americans are so stupid they can't unite against a clear threat and would rather level accusations at one another or whine about "lack of evidence" like a stupid, whipped dog.

I think this is ultimately what many are failing to grasp, either because they are gloating in the victory of the moment or because they don't have a problem with Russia necessarily.

Exactly what did they do to meddle in our elections? Exactly.

Did they shine a light on Hillary's crimes? Is that what they did? They meddled with our election by creating an informed electorate?

 

[1972 Grad]

You may realize this but the average trump neophyte could never comprehend or accept that he or she was influenced by anything other than god.

Yes, the reason that Hillary lost was all the really stupid, religious whackos. Also, I believe that God is generally capitalized in proper English, but your lower case "g" was almost certainly an error of commission, rather than omission.

 

[luthervol]

I was personally visited by a Russian agent, and he took my family hostage and forced me to vote for Trump. They held my family hostage until I returned from the polls. I was threatened with "if you ever want to see your family alive "........

That's the first thing I've read that makes any sense.

 

[volprof]

What? Outside of your clearly biased belief that the "media largely ignored it", which is both subjective as it is plausible - that's like asking whether which is worse, breaking your leg or breaking your arm. All of the above is my answer.

I was thinking the exact same thing. All of the above.

 

[Septic]

Again, I figured you would read that within the context of the post I'd already made about the adminisration making a problem of the informed electorate and it being a bad look for the democrats? Explicitly.

If that was your argument, great, I agree to your problem with the administration having a problem with an informed electorate.

I simply ignored the extraneous re-framing of my post to an ambiguous position that could be used to defeat my initial point. I stayed in my lane while you got speechless.

 

[volprof]

Exactly what did they do to meddle in our elections? Exactly.

Did they shine a light on Hillary's crimes? Is that what they did? They meddled with our election by creating an informed electorate?

My boss and I like to have political discussions. I was telling him the other day that once the religious "values" crowd, of which you are a representative, go full postmodern (like everyone else has already) - telling us "up is down" and "down is up" - it's over. One more reason why I don't think liberal democracy has much more left in her tank.

 

[Septic]

Yes, the reason that Hillary lost was all the really stupid, religious whackos. Also, I believe that God is generally capitalized in proper English, but your lower case "g" was almost certainly an error of commission, rather than omission.

That wasn't my point, only that most trump jock sniffers wouldn't dare or couldn't accept that they were manipulated.

trump is a surname that is typically capitalized as well, you may have noticed I didn't take the time to mash shift there either. Next time I will be more specific and refer to his holiness with the due, proper respect. All hail Cthulhu.

 

[luthervol]

So, the problem was that America had an informed electorate.

Bad look, sep. Bad look.

I think history will point to this election as having the most UNINFORMED electorate of all time. Half-truths, and lies were mixed in with reality in a way that has never been seen before. This forum serves as proof.

 

[Orange_Crush]

My boss and I like to have political discussions. I was telling him the other day that once the religious "values" crowd, of which you are a representative, go full postmodern (like everyone else has already) - telling us "up is down" and "down is up" - it's over. One more reason why I don't think liberal democracy has much more left in her tank.

I'm the farthest thing you can get from postmodern. I'll defend the concept of objective truth and objective morality to the very end.

Now, with that out of the way, I'll ask again... Exactly how did Russia tamper with our election? By shining a light on Hillary's crimes and the DNC escapades? Or were there other ways that they tampered with our election?

 

[Grand Vol]

What? Outside of your clearly biased belief that the "media largely ignored it", which is both subjective as it is plausible - that's like asking whether which is worse, breaking your leg or breaking your arm. All of the above is my answer.

Straddling the fence I see. You can't look at what came out of those emails and say the media didn't largely ignore it. I will agree the Wikileaks didn't help her one bit, but you and I both know the media ho-hummed the whole deal. And that's not subjective, show me where anyone outside of Fox News made an issue of it.

There were several factors involved in her not getting elected, but I don't think the emails were as big a factor as Comey and the fact the DNC nominated the worst candidate they possibly could have.

 

[joevol320]

No, just the poor ones.

explain that. i thought obama got rid of wealth gap.

dumb comment.

 

[FLVOL69]

I think history will point to this election as having the most UNINFORMED electorate of all time. Half-truths, and lies were mixed in with reality in a way that has never been seen before. This forum serves as proof.

That statement is the equivalent of most transparent administration ever..stfu 😂

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think history will point to this election as having the most UNINFORMED electorate of all time. Half-truths, and lies were mixed in with reality in a way that has never been seen before. This forum serves as proof.

Has the DNC claimed that the leaked emails were lies, or have they blamed Russia for leaking the emails?

 

[FLVOL69]

Has the DNC claimed that the leaked emails were lies, or have they blamed Russia for leaking the emails?

Funny how they never disputed the content, only how they were attained..

 

[volprof]

I'm the farthest thing you can get from postmodern. I'll defend the concept of objective truth and objective morality to the very end.

Now, with that out of the way, I'll ask again... Exactly how did Russia tamper with our election? By shning a light on Hillary's crimes? Or were there other ways that they tammpered with our election?

Russia tampered with our election by picking a candidate, who I also happen to think complicit in some shape or form, and by weaponizing the tools of our own democracy against us. We needed to know those things about Hillary, but not like that. They should have been revealed in a Dept. of Justice investigation, one I hoped would have been recommended by the FBI last July.

And if you like foreign enemies revealing to you the dirt on your domestic political parties - and probably that only because it's the party you're against - then, yes, you're a postmodern relativist.

 

[FLVOL69]

Russia tampered with our election by picking a candidate, who I also happen to think complicit in some shape or form, and by weaponizing the tools of our own democracy against us. We needed to know those things about Hillary, but not like that. They should have been revealed in a Dept. of Justice investigation, one I hoped would have been recommended by the FBI last July.

And if you like foreign enemies revealing to you the dirt on your domestic political parties - and probably that only because it's the party you're against - then, yes, you're a postmodern relativist.

Russia picked our candidate? You're outta your ****ing mind..