Obama Solves Poverty!

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ksushalovesthevols said:
You can't legislate your morality onto the taxpayers of the country.

And yet we have laws against abortion, against buying liquor on Sunday, etc.

America became great because it had a clean slate. And do keep in mind that all hegemonies have fallen to the cyclical nature of history. We've only been around for 300 years; we haven't had much time to fail. I am sure I need not remind you that Africa was once home to some of the most advanced civilzations in the world. Who knows where we'll be 2000 years from now.
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and yet in 300yrs we've chosen to move ourselves so far past them it's astonishing. You can't force someone to take a step they just don't want to take.
 
#52
#52
ksushalovesthevols said:
You can't legislate your morality onto the taxpayers of the country.

And yet we have laws against abortion, against buying liquor on Sunday, etc.

America became great because it had a clean slate. And do keep in mind that all hegemonies have fallen to the cyclical nature of history. We've only been around for 300 years; we haven't had much time to fail. I am sure I need not remind you that Africa was once home to some of the most advanced civilzations in the world. Who knows where we'll be 2000 years from now.
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America thrived because of individuals, not a clean slate. Africa was great because great people made it so, not because it had a clean slate. All great dynasties were steeped in great people, moral or otherwise.

Our greatest power in the world is our economy and pissing it all over the globe to fix problems is one sure way to ensure failure.

As to the laws against abortion and Sunday Liquor, they aren't frivolous. The frivolous variety are the enormous piles of entitlements that this country pours into its own citizens today, exacerbating the welfare entitlement mentality that drains our economy today. Biggest frictional expense on earth is the Entitlement portion of the US budget. Argue all you'd like that we don't give, but check that little percentage if you will. Might surprise you. Even more surprising is the undeniable fact that we absolutely cannot afford it.
 
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#54
utvolpj said:
and yet in 300yrs we've chosen to move ourselves so far past them it's astonishing. You can't force someone to take a step they just don't want to take.
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Excellent point. Why haven't they raised themselves from their sad and disgusting condition after all those years?
 
#55
#55
ksushalovesthevols said:
No one in New York is starving. At least not the haven't eaten or had clean water for three weeks, belly-swollen starving.
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this emotion driven argument is the only one you have. otherwise, the argument to spend money and time eradicating world poverty is rife with gaping holes. It makes no sense from a financial perspective. We've proven time and again that sustainable help is that which teaches people to fend for themselves and make their own way. We've seen billions horded by dictators and nutjobs. There is little positive argument besides providing medical help. Aside from that, the only sustained help is that which forced people to understand self reliance.
 
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#56
I love the whole "America sucks" attitude. I challenge anyone to find a country that gives more aid than the U.S. These are the same people that believe the U.N. is the be all and end all on morailty. Sure the U.N. will help your country, as long as there are no Jews getting helped in the process.
 
#61
#61
ksushalovesthevols said:
I agree that long-term solutions are key. I am in no way advocating that we "feed" Africa into infinity. Systems have to be put in place that will eventually allow those regions that face turmoil today to become self-sufficient. But entities working towards those solutions need funding.
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Your correct, I volunteer all your salary. As for mine, I prefer to make that decision...not Uncle Sam.
 
#62
#62
Glen Beck had a fairly lengthy discussion of this subject last night. We're going to pay - and I may have misheard this - $65 million annually for 13 years, amounting to 0.7% of the GDP, to help eradicate global poverty.

There are additional provisions within the bill that address the Kyoto accords and the elimination of all small arms in the world.

Everyone jumping up and down about how great Obama is had better be careful. You might get what you hadn't bargained for.
 
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MoonDogLeft said:
Glen Beck had a fairly lengthy discussion of this subject last night. We're going to pay - and I may have misheard this - $65 million annually for 13 years, amounting to 0.7% of the GDP, to help eradicate global poverty.

There are additional provisions within the bill that address the Kyoto accords and the elimination of all small arms in the world.

Everyone jumping up and down about how great Obama is had better be careful. You might get what you hadn't bargained for.
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Are there any democrats that you think are good leaders any that would make a good President?

What Republican(s) would you like to see as our President?
 
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#64
jkell24 said:
Are there any democrats that you think are good leaders any that would make a good President?

What Republican(s) would you like to see as our President?
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Joe Lieberman is okay on some issues. I view him as an honorable person. Same for Evan Bayh(sp?).

I personally like Obama and find him inspiring at times. His policy ideas though simply conflict with mine.
 
#65
#65
1.5 Billion a week, that's what the U.S. spends in Iraq. It's not worth it, bottom line.
 
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#66
The reason I had asked was to get an idea of what type of politician is supported and to see if you thought someone from the other side could do a good job. I don't think Chuck Hagel is popular with many conservatives because he crosses party lines a lot but I think that he is a good leader. I think Colin Powell is a very honorable man also. I think Ron Paul is a good person too although I don't agree with him on a lot of things. I don't agree with Obama either on a lot of things but he is the closest candidate to what I am looking for that is remaining. .
 
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#72
MoonDogLeft said:
Glen Beck had a fairly lengthy discussion of this subject last night. We're going to pay - and I may have misheard this - $65 million annually for 13 years, amounting to 0.7% of the GDP, to help eradicate global poverty.

There are additional provisions within the bill that address the Kyoto accords and the elimination of all small arms in the world.

Everyone jumping up and down about how great Obama is had better be careful. You might get what you hadn't bargained for.
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I watched his show the other day too. I laughed at this guy for the entire show! Glen Beck as a source for news is like going to Hillary and asking for an honest answer.

And blaming Obama because other people have added crap onto a bill is simply lunacy. What Obama purposed and what that bill has become are as different as night and day. I do believe Obama would not approve it now in its present form.
 
#73
#73
Next thing you know, we will be refering to Obama as The Honorable Rev. Barak (insert muslim name here) Obama (insert some version of Mohammad here). See ya at the march, and be sure to bring your beret!
 
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