Obama orders investigation into Russian hacking of election

[red butler]

Obama could come out and say the sky is blue and I'd have to look myself.

Intelligence has been politicized to the point I do question findings especially those leaked by anonymous sources to MSM.

This guy is probably the MSM source:

And a little background (the guy was a fake):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/fox-news-analyst-still-wont-admit-he-was-not-in-cia/2016/07/14/eb61b5e4-478e-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html?utm_term=.296956457c28

 

[93TNVol]

:zeitung_lesen:

 

[red butler]

I can't understand it for you dude, try looking past the partisan politics and think outside the box.

Foreign interference in U.S. elections, irrespective of outcome shouldn't be tolerated - if you don't think the Kremlin is eating this up, grinning from ear to ear - you are truly naive.

Do you get this worked up when foreign governments interfere with U.S. elections by funneling millions of dollars to the campaigns of the candidates they want to win?

 

[vols4sure]

Why are you asking people to subjectively quantify which is "worse" for your examination and critique?

If you have a point, make it and move on - demanding people respond to your question is a rookie move.

The point is obvious. Failure to explain why hacking the DNC is different than all the other hacking that is occurring shows that this is just selective outrage because liberals/democrats lost the election.

 

[Septic]

Do you get this worked up when foreign governments interfere with U.S. elections by funneling millions of dollars to the campaigns of the candidates they want to win?

To the campaigns? Yeah, that'd get me worked up.

 

[Septic]

The point is obvious. Failure to explain why hacking the DNC is different than all the other hacking that is occurring shows that this is just selective outrage because liberals/democrats lost the election.

If that was what you were working at, you should have just stated as much instead of playing games. I could have simply referred you to this post, which addresses your point on the first line.

 

[SamRebel35]

To the campaigns? Yeah, that'd get me worked up.

Saudi Arabia donates 25 million to Clinton foundation. Evidence in wikileaks that money was embezzled from Clinton foundation to Clinton campaign. You outraged? Didn't think so.

 

[Septic]

Saudi Arabia donates 25 million to Clinton foundation. Evidence in wikileaks that money was embezzled from Clinton foundation to Clinton campaign. You outraged? Didn't think so.

"Evidence in wikileaks"

Bro.

Any other "evidence?" Maybe a tweet by Trump? Perhaps an op-ed by Hannity? How about a article on Breitbart?

I think you're playing fast and loose with the term "evidence."

But to that end, if it were true - I'd be outraged. To be clear, you stated to the campaign which is wholly different from your followup claim of embezzlement from the foundation to the campaign. You can't move the goal post like that.

 

[lawgator1]

 

[SamRebel35]

"Evidence in wikileaks"

Bro.

Any other "evidence?" Maybe a tweet by Trump? Perhaps an op-ed by Hannity? How about a article on Breitbart?

I think you're playing fast and loose with the term "evidence."

But to that end, if it were true - I'd be outraged. To be clear, you stated to the campaign which is wholly different from your followup claim of embezzlement from the foundation to the campaign. You can't move the goal post like that.

So no outrage, just denial. Same ends.

 

[Septic]

So no outrage, just denial. Same ends.

I apologize that I'm not as outraged by your personal perception of reality as you are.

Get back to me when you can cite actual evidence of your claims, at that point - I'll gladly revise my level of outrage and pray that it meets with your approval.

 

[OJ]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.8e623158f6c7

More evidence. Congrats Republicans. Russia played you.

Why am I not 50 points ahead. Loser.

 

[volprof]

Still waiting? Why is the alleged Russian hack of the DNC worse? Or is this just partisan politics?

LG, volprof, Septic? Anyone?

It's not worse. Has anyone said that? I certainly haven't.

I don't want Russians or any foreign nation hacking any of our political parties, politicians, or NGOs. If corruption is exposed, I want it to be by us ourselves, preferably in legal investigations.

 

[volprof]

I can't understand it for you dude, try looking past the partisan politics and think outside the box.

Foreign interference in U.S. elections, irrespective of outcome shouldn't be tolerated - if you don't think the Kremlin is eating this up, grinning from ear to ear - you are truly naive.

They're dancing in the aisles of the Duma right now. There's a positive glow all throughout Russia regarding this.

Decades from now, Kremlinites will toast Operation Trump as one of the great Russian intelligence operations of all time, perhaps even the greatest. They basically committed a de facto coup on their most major enemy, us.

 

[volprof]

You're making an equivocation that isn't congruent with what's allegedly occurred. The DNC isn't "our government."

Excellent response; I never would have thought of that. Good work defending America, sir. Too little of that nowadays.

 

[volprof]

We are outraged that the Russians have attempted to rig the election by exposing emails showing clearly that we rigged the election.

That's seriously what you read in those emails?

And, to Septic's point, the DNC rigging the Democratic primary campaigning system - already a stupid system as it is - is not the same as "rigging the election," Trump.

We've got a system that inherently favors rural and conservative areas, in terms of voting. The Electoral College grants an automatic three votes to each state, regardless of population, already favoring some red states that would not qualify for three electoral votes by population. This is why Democrats have now lost a presidential election in 2000 and 2016, even despite winning majorities of each vote. Now, that's not "rigged"; that's legitimate and fair, but let's stop acting like Republicans are playing on some sort of uneven playing field. The organization of the entire system suggests otherwise.

This Trumpian nonsense about "rigged elections" is about to get on my last nerve. And no, we've not seen my last nerve yet.

 

[hog88]

Yes, you are right. When I said "details," I meant he will explain level of certainty that this occurred, and basically the bottom line of what occurred, not the techniques by which it was done or then detected by us.

Interesting question: If Obama does announce some sort of sanctions, some specific economic actions, will Trump un-do it, either directly or indirectly, upon taking or shortly after taking office?

On the one hand, it obviously would feed the perception that it is true that he is too pro-Russian. On the other hand, to leave it in place, seems like a tacit acknowledgment by him that the Russians interfered and it helped him.

Tough spot for the Donald.

It's absolutely a tough spot for Trump, what do you think this "scandal" is designed to do?

Obama and the left are doing more damage than the Russians did (if the hacking is true) by undermining the legitimacy of his successor.

 

[theFallGuy]

Yeah this one gets me the most, she told us there was no proof of hacking

 

[volprof]

The dems did rig it.

And still lost...

Have you ever once stopped to wonder why, when you go to your voting place to cast your ballot, you most likely just stroll right in, make polite chat for a few minutes with the other voters in line, and then cast your vote, while practically all of the long poll lines - spanning entire city blocks - that appear on TV consist mostly of racial minorities?

 

[OJ]

Since some of you just don't quite seem to get it, let me break this down for you:

Whatever asinine thing it was that you thought Obama was, well, Trump is actually that.

Hope this helps, although I doubt it will.

A magic Negro?

 

[hog88]

I apologize that I'm not as outraged by your personal perception of reality as you are.

Get back to me when you can cite actual evidence of your claims, at that point - I'll gladly revise my level of outrage and pray that it meets with your approval.

It's public record that the CF donated to PACS supporting Clinton and her campaign directly. So maybe not technically embezzling but certainly skirting the laws regarding foreign contributions.

 

[volfan2024]

Focus on keeping us safe not a bunch of crybaby whiners, like you,Clinton's and the rest.

 

[Septic]

It's public record that the CF donated to PACS supporting Clinton and her campaign directly. So maybe not technically embezzling but certainly skirting the laws regarding foreign contributions.

I was told that the Citizens United ruling was a good thing.

 

[T-TownVol]

Have you ever once stopped to wonder why, when you go to your voting place to cast your ballot, you most likely just stroll right in, make polite chat for a few minutes with the other voters in line, and then cast your vote, while practically all of the long welfare lines - spanning entire city blocks - that appear on TV consist mostly of racial minorities?

fify

 

[hog88]

I was told that the Citizens United ruling was a good thing.

It was a terrible law, the ruling was correct. What congress should have done was just bared Labor Unions from donating and been done with it, but no. Citizens United was a response to the cash the Unions were donating.