O-linemen "considering future"

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Looking back at Kendrick's quotes in this piece from spring practice, it's apparent that he was having a tough time mentally/emotionally even before Jack Jones moved up:
Brett Kendrick Gaining Confidence | Rocky Top Insider

Just like in the workplace, some will be motivated by constructive criticism while others will be crushed by it. And if you feel like you've earned a promotion but your employer/coach disagrees, you either have to accept it & keep working on your game or move on. FWIW, I certainly hope both of these young man stick with us and continue to improve.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
The rumor is that it's Kendrick that feels this way, and honestly from what I've seen, I don't really blame him. It has seemed apparent at times that he was the better player and yet, time and again, he would get bumped down for someone else. Whether it was at tackle or now at guard, it always seems like Kendrick is the better player but never gets the playing time.
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So, from your response, you are suggesting that these some people know more than our coaches do about who is performing better.

I have no propblem with players transferring because they want a better opportunity to play. It's only natural. But to suggest that the coaches would keep Kendrick from starting or playing despite the fact that they knew he was better is just plain silly.
 
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kamoshika said:
Looking back at Kendrick's quotes in this piece from spring practice, it's apparent that he was having a tough time mentally/emotionally even before Jack Jones moved up:
Brett Kendrick Gaining Confidence | Rocky Top Insider

Just like in the workplace, some will be motivated by constructive criticism while others will be crushed by it. And if you feel like you've earned a promotion but your employer/coach disagrees, you either have to accept it & keep working on your game or move on. FWIW, I certainly hope both of these young man stick with us and continue to improve.
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That article was about his confidence and ability improving... not that he was continuing to have a tough time.

FWIW, some people NEED to know they have the confidence and trust of their bosses. The feeling that you don't, real or imagined, can paralyze an otherwise very capable person.

Part of a coach's job is to build the confidence of their players.
 
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SMiVol said:
I think when all is said and done, Kendricks will play and most likely start at RG. I would prefer him at RT and Jones start at RG.

I think Coleman's best position is C. I think that is where he ends up by the middle of this year. Here is my starting offensive line by the Alabama game:

LT - Kerbyson
LG - Robertson
C - Thomas
RG - Jones
RT - Kendricks

I would not be surprised if this happens.
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Some have reported and I believe Larry confirmed that Thomas didn't work out at C. They tried but perhaps he cannot handle the mental part of it.
 
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Tuckervol1003 said:
So, from your response, you are suggesting that these some people know more than our coaches do about who is performing better.

I have no propblem with players transferring because they want a better opportunity to play. It's only natural. But to suggest that the coaches would keep Kendrick from starting or playing despite the fact that they knew he was better is just plain silly.
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I don't think anyone has suggested that they "know" he's better. Some have floated the possibility that they have a blind spot with him.

I can remember feeling like he has felt as a player years ago. It is an attitude issue and something that you mostly do to yourself. But I felt that I deserved more of a shot at starting/playing than I got. As a teenager, I frankly didn't deal with it all that well. Instead of fighting harder, I got in a funk which made me even less competitive. It made it worse that apparently like Kendrick there were some guys who were getting a shot that didn't appear to be as good.

On the flip side of that, when I did get my chance to start the coach was surprised that I played as well as I did. I could have fixed things with a better attitude. So that's on me. But what eventually DID fix it was him showing faith and trust. I was never a "star". I just played a role. But coach got more than he expected.


To me, that's the difference between Kendrick and Thomas (from the outside looking in with only partial info). Thomas can't seem to lose Jones' confidence while Kendrick can't seem to get it.
 
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08Vol said:
If his method of evaluation didn't show that Dobbs was the best option at QB last year then there was something wrong with his method, not with Dobbs
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Butch's method of evaluation isn't any different than any other coaches which is to find the most consistent performer. It is the same method he used in his determination on Barnett and Robertson.

But hey, if a coach could tell which player would play better than they practiced or vise versa they would be a genius.
 
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Though decisions regarding the starting line-up and rotation on OL will be impacted by committee review and deliberation of camp performance, I suspect that CBJ will lean heavily on CMD and his OL experience in making final choices.

With that said, it would be interesting to hear CMD's unfiltered evaluations of each OL during camp.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Is that you kendricks mom. Lol jk. I know he's been moved around a bit but you just have to believe all the coaches want to do is get the best possible group out there. I'm not one of theses that says all the time we shouldn't be questioning the coaches. But in this situation the coaches have far and away the best insight as to what players should be there. If jones is ahead of Kendrick, I'm sure he's earned that spot.
Competition is always good. Kendrick needs to respond by out working jones. That's how you succeed in football...and life in general
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You guys obviously never played in a competitive HS program in any sport where the coach determines the starters. Back in the stone ages when I played HS football, each season there were always a couple of starters selected by the coaches who the rest of the team couldn't understand. We had to practice against those guys and hit them in practice. We knew who was the toughest to compete against, but the coaches didn't always put them in the lineup. I recall more than once a position coach telling us that he suggested a different lineup for his position but the head coach overruled him?

CBJ isn't infallible and choosing the "best" is subjective. It's not as simple as you guys want to make it out to be as the cream will rise and the coaches will always play the best.

If Kendrick thinks he outperforms Thomas and Jones yet isn't in the lineup, then he ought to find a coach who values his skills more highly. He sure as hell out performed Thomas last season.
 
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Roustabout said:
Sure, go back and read Jancek's comments about being unable to defend him during practice. Otherwise all you had was homer media speculation trying to justify why Dobbs was being redshirted. Deal with it.
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Coach Doug Matthews spent a week observing Vol practices last year before the season started. On his radio show he stated several times that Josh was No 3 behind Worley and Peterman in practice. He stated he expected more from him but he just didn't show anything.
 
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walkenvol said:
You guys obviously never played in a competitive HS program in any sport where the coach determines the starters. Back in the stone ages when I played HS football, each season there were always a couple of starters selected by the coaches who the rest of the team couldn't understand. We had to practice against those guys and hit them in practice. We knew who was the toughest to compete against, but the coaches didn't always put them in the lineup. I recall more than once a position coach telling us that he suggested a different lineup for his position but the head coach overruled him?

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As I recall, that was usually a Big Booster's son or a faculty member's son or something along those lines...
 
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I could see an uperclassmen who put in his time upset that a freshman walks in and is getting looks right away. But I dont see why kendricks is thinking about leaving it seems like hes gonna be a vital part of our line the next couple years. weisman however looks like hes getting over recruited and I could see him transferring to somewhere he can be a full time starter the kid has talent.

I also dont completely agree with everyone thinking thomas winds u at center after this year. personally i think robertson is gonna take over that job and well have thomas and richmond as bookends. With a guard combination of 2 outta kendrick boulware mosely and jack
 
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"When I said, 'I wish you would just transfer,' I didn't really mean it, I was just trying to motivate you."
 
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Don't leave Dylan. We need you. We love you. We want you here. Keep plugging - be a VFL!! You'll get opportunities - make the most of 'em when you do.
 
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Roustabout said:
Really? So, you are saying that Dobbs wasn't a better QB (all things considered) than Worley? And of course, Dobbs played because he was better. Oh wait, no, he played because Worley had a season ending injury. Great job coach Jones!

There are all kinds of political BS going on as it relates to PT. You have no idea. I was personal friends with Woody McCorvey when he was here. Great guy, but he couldn't stand Riggs Jr. Told me so, personally. Also told me he was the most talented back on the roster. But it was Woody's opinion on Riggs (head case according to his own words), not his ability, that determined playing time. Woody went to MSU and Trooper Taylor came in. He liked Riggs and tried a different approach, and all of the sudden he was a 1000 yard back.

i have no doubt that Brett could have some attitude or personality conflicts. That doesn't mean he isn't the best at his position. Coaches are paid to get past this kind of crap.

Does your supervisor, manager or owner always do the best thing for their own business? Hell no. I used to have some issues with my boss, even though, according to his boss, i was the best in the company at my position. My financial success is tied to how well we work together. For years my production was thwarted because i had to fight against management to get what i wanted and needed. About 5 years ago, my relationship with my boss changed, and suddenly my production skyrockets. The result is I'm making him more money. But, that didn't matter back then. It was politics and who he WANTED to see succeed. The sad part is you couldn't convince him of this to this day.
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Actually - I would say that Worley was the better quarterback last year. When given time he showed he could pick apart defenses. Dobbs is still not the passer that Worley was. But, Dobbs was able to make positive yardage when his OL fell apart and Worley could not. Against an overall weaker schedule in November Dobbs was able to pull out some wins. Butch clear wanted to red-shirt Dobbs last year and let him continue to progress and mature. I think he will be a good serviceable quarterback for us - but it is not that hard to understand Jones strategy. It was sound. If the OL had been average I think we would have won more games with Worley than Dobbs.
Now lets stop second guessing our coaches and play some football :good!:
 
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DragonChi said:
Actually - I would say that Worley was the better quarterback last year. When given time he showed he could pick apart defenses. Dobbs is still not the passer that Worley was. But, Dobbs was able to make positive yardage when his OL fell apart and Worley could not. Against an overall weaker schedule in November Dobbs was able to pull out some wins. Butch clear wanted to red-shirt Dobbs last year and let him continue to progress and mature. I think he will be a good serviceable quarterback for us - but it is not that hard to understand Jones strategy. It was sound. If the OL had been average I think we would have won more games with Worley than Dobbs.
Now lets stop second guessing our coaches and play some football :good!:
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No team in the conference wanted Worley as their qb. Well...maybe LSU
 
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Errrbody ... stay where you are.

We are gonna need several O linemen, and we are thankful you are here in the Orange.
 
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When the depth chart is released is when we will now.. Until then it likes pissing in front of a fan.. Not good
 
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Biopsyman said:
When the depth chart is released is when we will now.. Until then it likes pissing in front of a fan.. Not good
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We could be holding our breath for that right into BGSU kickoff and beyond, heh....

After practice this afternoon, Butch said the OLine starting five will potentially be patterned uniquely for each opponent, and may change from week to week.

Which means rather than seeing a clear starting 5, we might have 7 or 8 who get starts at different times.

Going to be interesting to see as this develops. One reporter asked about giving up continuity within the unit in exchange for this ability to pattern the skill sets for particular opponents. Butch acknowledged that it was a tradeoff. He also mentioned that the younger guys, like "Jack Jones, who has only played right guard," and "Charles Mosley has only played left guard," will be confined to those positions, to reduce the complexity for them. But he also alluded to "other individuals that have done a good job, that have been in our program, that we have that luxury of being able to move them around because they're very intelligent football players" [he didn't say the words "Brett Kendrick," but you could see him clearly in that description].

I got the distinct impression Butch, DeBord & Mahoney came up with this compromise to keep the unit motivated and avoid devisiveness of the sort we've discussed in recent days. Will they truly mix & match the top 7 or 8 from game to game, to best fit unique attributes of opponents' defenses? Or is this just a smoke screen while they keep figuring a real First 5 out? Guess we'll see....
 
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Wizard of Orange said:
As I recall, that was usually a Big Booster's son or a faculty member's son or something along those lines...
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Sometimes but its usually not that cliched. Most often its just a personality thing. All of us like some people more than others. In my experience we are not talking a huge difference in ability. One guy's marginally better or just as good and never gets a game time snap over the guy coach likes. And it can change got in the dog house with my HS coach over something my family doctor said to him and played very sparingly my junior year after coming out of the summer a starter. Then senior year I start both ways. There's politics in everything.
 
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DragonChi said:
Actually - I would say that Worley was the better quarterback last year. When given time he showed he could pick apart defenses. Dobbs is still not the passer that Worley was. But, Dobbs was able to make positive yardage when his OL fell apart and Worley could not. Against an overall weaker schedule in November Dobbs was able to pull out some wins. Butch clear wanted to red-shirt Dobbs last year and let him continue to progress and mature. I think he will be a good serviceable quarterback for us - but it is not that hard to understand Jones strategy. It was sound. If the OL had been average I think we would have won more games with Worley than Dobbs.
Now lets stop second guessing our coaches and play some football :good!:
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I just totally disagree with everything you said. First of all we do the read option all the time and it literally went for a loss every time with Worley. You'll agree with that right? And as far as accuracy, with Worley have basically the entire fall camp working as the no1 how could he possibly not be the more accurate passer? When dobbs was give serval weeks as the no1 he absolutely destroyed a pretty good Iowa team. Dobbs is head and shoulders better than Worley and he's also a much better fit for the offense we run
 
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