O-linemen "considering future"

#76
#76
Any olineman on our team thinking about going elsewhere should be tested for crack. If they can't get in the field here, where in the hell are they going to go. We got like 6 online on the roster and about 3 of them are freshmen.
 
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Roustabout said:
Really? So, you are saying that Dobbs wasn't a better QB (all things considered) than Worley? And of course, Dobbs played because he was better. Oh wait, no, he played because Worley had a season ending injury. Great job coach Jones
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I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Dobbs wasn't playing for a couple of reasons. First off, he was the QB of the future. You redshirt your QB of the future so you can develop his ability without him taking hits in the backfield. Football 101. Since they had to burn his redshirt in 2013, they tried again in 2014. No big conspiracy, no political crap. Just standard football strategy with a talented underclassman IF you have other options. And second off, it's been noted time and again that Dobbs needed that time to mature as a leader. His practice notes weren't off the charts promising. In fact, he didn't turn into the QB we have now until he got in a game situation.

CBJ played Worley last year because he was the best option both on the field and for his long term plans. And while it's always fun to look for the tarnish on the silver lining, sometimes there's just no tarnish to be found. Probably there are more important conspiracies to theorize about. Might I suggest the Illuminati as an alternative?
 
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Man.. I couldn't imagine how our offense could possibly succeed if we were to lose last year's O-line (Jashon Robertson excluded)!!!
 
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rcrrcr said:
Butch was not a fan of Dobbs at qb last season but had to play him and he did great. Looks like he is playing the same song verse two with Kendrick. Kendrick was the best tackle on the team at game time last year.

I think coach jones can be a really good coach. But sometime he does some really strange things!!!
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Not intended to be a factual statement.
 
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chad4930 said:
T.O. was one of the most gifted WR's in the NFL but everyone got tired of his poor attitude. Be a jacka$$ and you will ride the pine. Either work for it or line up for you participation trophy.
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Terrell Owens was a starter in the NFL 15 straight seasons. How many receivers do that?
 
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Unless Thomas has made monumental steps at tackle,I just don't understand why they keep trying him at tackle. I mean I saw guys go by him last year and he didn't lay even a finger on them. Kendrick played much better than Thomas did from what I saw. Thomas needs a rs and compete at C next year.And Blair needs to go ahead and transfer now.Of course this is jmo.I guess we'll see soon enough. I'll gladly eat crow if Thomas balls out at RT.Kerbyson is also playing out of position but I guess he's our best option at LT.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
I think you're being deliberately obtuse. Dobbs wasn't playing for a couple of reasons. First off, he was the QB of the future. You redshirt your QB of the future so you can develop his ability without him taking hits in the backfield. Football 101. Since they had to burn his redshirt in 2013, they tried again in 2014. No big conspiracy, no political crap. Just standard football strategy with a talented underclassman IF you have other options. And second off, it's been noted time and again that Dobbs needed that time to mature as a leader. His practice notes weren't off the charts promising. In fact, he didn't turn into the QB we have now until he got in a game situation.

CBJ played Worley last year because he was the best option both on the field and for his long term plans. And while it's always fun to look for the tarnish on the silver lining, sometimes there's just no tarnish to be found. Probably there are more important conspiracies to theorize about. Might I suggest the Illuminati as an alternative?
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Dobbs family were wanting a RS also from what I've read for academic purposes.
 
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CJBlaze said:
Dobbs family were wanting a RS also from what I've read for academic purposes.
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Exactly, and just by looking at his class load last fall its not only apparent that he didn't expect to play but WHY. No one in his right mind would carry those hours/classes while the starting QB for a major university.
 
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08Vol said:
If his method of evaluation didn't show that Dobbs was the best option at QB last year then there was something wrong with his method, not with Dobbs
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No possibility that Dobbs got more comfortable with the offense as the season went along? That the Dobbs we see against Oklahoma is more overwhelmed than the version we actually view in performance against Bama? No, the coaches aren't infallible but their decisions have to be a little more educated than the edicts we issue on here...even tho we do sound absolute. :)
 
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GLDunlap said:
Terrell Owens was a starter in the NFL 15 straight seasons. How many receivers do that?
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With the QB dramas HE manufactured in San Francisco,Philly and Dallas, he cost himself parts of two seasons. The potential headaches dissuaded other teams from adding him to their rosters for at least 3 years more. Hell he had an arena franchise in Dallas that gave him part ownership...all he had to do was show up for a percentage of their games and PR events. He skipped a hospital charity visit and got booted. Man's in bad financial condition and really shouldn't have been. :no:
 
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BigorangeBoy said:
Kendrick. Speculation is they are not happy with Jack Jones running with first team OG - OR BK feels he should be on the first five as OT, but this again is a speculative article to produce clicks IMO. Both have been dinged up
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I do think both have thought about. Kendrick did not take a couple days off like Weisman did but they pondered moving on.

this is not unusual. In fact it happens constantly that kids think about leaving. I was close with Trooper when he was here and he got calls weekly from parents because their kid had called and said they were about to leave and head home. Things have not changed as that has been going on forever.

When a kid is practicing these long hours and don't get to start they begin to think about going elsewhere. Natural reaction especially when passed up by younger players. Its natural to think you will never get a chance over someone younger.

Wouldn't be shocked to see either move on at some future point. JMO
 
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CJBlaze said:
Unless Thomas has made monumental steps at tackle,I just don't understand why they keep trying him at tackle. I mean I saw guys go by him last year and he didn't lay even a finger on them. Kendrick played much better than Thomas did from what I saw. Thomas needs a rs and compete at C next year.And Blair needs to go ahead and transfer now.Of course this is jmo.I guess we'll see soon enough. I'll gladly eat crow if Thomas balls out at RT.Kerbyson is also playing out of position but I guess he's our best option at LT.
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Because even if he has NOT made monumental steps he is executing better than anyone else. that is why. Once someone shows they can do it better, they will pass him. Its that way at all positions.

They were pushing kids to pass Crowder and Kerbyson also but no one showed they could do it as well.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Exactly, and just by looking at his class load last fall its not only apparent that he didn't expect to play but WHY. No one in his right mind would carry those hours/classes while the starting QB for a major university.
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He's a brilliant mind and believe it or not some smart college football players take advantage of their scholarship to get a degree is something they want.

In a major like Dobbs has, there are limited class offerings so if he takes a light load he might have to push back a prerequisite class that can push back other classes he needs to take. I'm pretty dang sure CBJ and his staff knew Dobbs goal was to get his aerospace degree and knew he'd taking max course loads..
 
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LWSVOL said:
I do think both have thought about. Kendrick did not take a couple days off like Weisman did but they pondered moving on.

this is not unusual. In fact it happens constantly that kids think about leaving. I was close with Trooper when he was here and he got calls weekly from parents because their kid had called and said they were about to leave and head home. Things have not changed as that has been going on forever.

When a kid is practicing these long hours and don't get to start they begin to think about going elsewhere. Natural reaction especially when passed up by younger players. Its natural to think you will never get a chance over someone younger.

Wouldn't be shocked to see either move on at some future point. JMO
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Do you think they at least finish out the season LWS? We really don't need to lose any more on the OL for this year.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I do think both have thought about. Kendrick did not take a couple days off like Weisman did but they pondered moving on.

this is not unusual. In fact it happens constantly that kids think about leaving. I was close with Trooper when he was here and he got calls weekly from parents because their kid had called and said they were about to leave and head home. Things have not changed as that has been going on forever.

When a kid is practicing these long hours and don't get to start they begin to think about going elsewhere. Natural reaction especially when passed up by younger players. Its natural to think you will never get a chance over someone younger.

Wouldn't be shocked to see either move on at some future point. JMO
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what exactly has thomas showed at tackle?
 
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UTK said:
If they're mad Jack Jones is earning his way to playing time, maybe they should try harder and stop being babies about it.
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The rumor is that it's Kendrick that feels this way, and honestly from what I've seen, I don't really blame him. It has seemed apparent at times that he was the better player and yet, time and again, he would get bumped down for someone else. Whether it was at tackle or now at guard, it always seems like Kendrick is the better player but never gets the playing time.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
The rumor is that it's Kendrick that feels this way, and honestly from what I've seen, I don't really blame him. It has seemed apparent at times that he was the better player and yet, time and again, he would get bumped down for someone else. Whether it was at tackle or now at guard, it always seems like Kendrick is the better player but never gets the playing time.
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Is that you kendricks mom. Lol jk. I know he's been moved around a bit but you just have to believe all the coaches want to do is get the best possible group out there. I'm not one of theses that says all the time we shouldn't be questioning the coaches. But in this situation the coaches have far and away the best insight as to what players should be there. If jones is ahead of Kendrick, I'm sure he's earned that spot.
Competition is always good. Kendrick needs to respond by out working jones. That's how you succeed in football...and life in general
 
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chattavol420 said:
Is that you kendricks mom. Lol jk. I know he's been moved around a bit but you just have to believe all the coaches want to do is get the best possible group out there. I'm not one of theses that says all the time we shouldn't be questioning the coaches. But in this situation the coaches have far and away the best insight as to what players should be there. If jones is ahead of Kendrick, I'm sure he's earned that spot.
Competition is always good. Kendrick needs to respond by out working jones. That's how you succeed in football...and life in general
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I agree with you, they see far more than we ever will. It's just seems odd, I don't know if he is just always in the doghouse or if its an issue in practice. It's just interesting.
 
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#96
I think for Kendrick it might be a case of (so far) "always a bridesmaid, never the bride."

He looked good at RT in the spring. Maybe not gangbusters, but solid. But maybe he didn't look quite as good as Thomas, to the folks (coaches) who watch every single rep with the eye of an expert.

He looked very good at LG beside Kerbyson during fall camp. But he's not better than Robertson, and apparently Jones may have him edged out (I say "may" intentionally, because the coaches still have not announced starters or two-deep...we're still just guessing).

So he's the best option at tackle other than the two starting tackles, and he's the best option at guard other than the two starting guards. If that's the case, if that's how it really is, then Kendrick has absolutely nothing to worry about. Not only will he get plenty of playing time in 2015, he will probably get plenty of starts.

He just needs to buckle his helmet back on, climb back into the trenches, and stay focused on being the best he can be. The rest will work itself out.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Any olineman on our team thinking about going elsewhere should be tested for crack. If they can't get in the field here, where in the hell are they going to go. We got like 6 online on the roster and about 3 of them are freshmen.
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And if you were in that situation, had worked your tail off during the off season to achieve the goals your coach set for you, felt that you had played well enough in practice to start, then had a Fr that perhaps you don't believe had committed that much or performed better pass you... you would just sit back and take it, right?

Not picking on you particularly but MANY here aren't taking the time to actually think this through from the perspective of the player- particularly Kendrick. Weisman got a shot to start last year. It wasn't very good. Kendrick had some chances to play and start. It WAS good. Just looking without the full info the coaches have, he looked more athletic than anyone who played OT for UT last fall and appeared to block MUCH better than Thomas.

So, there's that. Then someone sat down with him and gave him off season goals. Reports from earlier in camp said that he had performed very well in the off-season.

The situation with Kendrick just doesn't seem "right".

This is the 2nd time I can remember questioning a specific decision regarding who plays/starts under Jones (the other was when V Dallas quit mid-season due to being demoted while playing reasonably well). We simply don't have the information they have. They score every rep and supposedly the guy who scores best is the one who plays. On several occasions and especially with the QB debate last year, I strongly defended Jones. But based on things that have leaked out about this situation... it just sounds like Jones dislike for Kendrick is subjective rather than objective.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I agree with you, they see far more than we ever will. It's just seems odd, I don't know if he is just always in the doghouse or if its an issue in practice. It's just interesting.
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It could be an attitude issues. Or work ethic. Who knows. But one thing is for sure, his best chance for success is to put his head down and work his azz off. Transferring at this point in the game (especially considering how thin we are) would be crazy. Just go to work and earn your oops big k
 
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#99
I think when all is said and done, Kendricks will play and most likely start at RG. I would prefer him at RT and Jones start at RG.

I think Coleman's best position is C. I think that is where he ends up by the middle of this year. Here is my starting offensive line by the Alabama game:

LT - Kerbyson
LG - Robertson
C - Thomas
RG - Jones
RT - Kendricks

I would not be surprised if this happens.
 
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#100
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BruinVol said:
Man we the fans don't need to know everything. Things like this happen with every team ever put together but in this media world we hear about it in this day and age.

Double edged sword the media is these days
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Yep. As we have seen, just with this story, rumors are rampant that these two players are unhappy. Even to the extent of naming the player that has made them unhappy.

It would be one thing if this was coming from someone on a message board who claimed to have an inside source that told him this. But, this is a media outlet printing this report on a public site, based off speculation and suggestion.

Is there anyone that still questions why Butch Jones is trying to control the flow of information out of the AD?
 
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