O.J. Owens suing NCAA, SEC for handling of head injuries.

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utvolpj said:
One head injury is enough to do permanent damage. That's a fact
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Sure but like I said in an earlier post, he should explain when such an injury occurred because in his case, there were limited opportunities for it to happen. He didn't practice or play much at all at UT and the reasons cited for his missing time were always lingering issues with both shoulders - not a concussion or head injury.

These type of suits should each be evaluated on a case by case basis. Simply being on a college football team 13 years ago shouldn't qualify him for compensation. I would be willing to bet that some of his former teammates from '00-'03 (the ones who actually played like Jason Witten for example, who has started over 200 NFL games in his career ) are probably rolling their eyes at this.
 
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Ignorance on full display in this thread. Some of yall act like CTE isn't a real thing. The league didn't even admit CTE was a real thing until they were required to testify in front of congress like 2 or 3 yeas ago. Get the NCAA in front of congress to admit what it knows about head injuries/concussions and I bet the settlements will start rolling in. I'm sure there are hundreds of former collegiate players out there who feel "punch drunk" from their playing days and wonder if it's related to CTE. It really is a shame that the league doesn't take better care of the players health. It's an even bigger shame that it takes a player suing the NCAA or SEC to get any sort of help or publicity.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Ignorance on full display in this thread. Some of yall act like CTE isn't a real thing. The league didn't even admit CTE was a real thing until they were required to testify in front of congress like 2 or 3 yeas ago. Get the NCAA in front of congress to admit what it knows about head injuries/concussions and I bet the settlements will start rolling in. I'm sure there are hundreds of former collegiate players out there who feel "punch drunk" from their playing days and wonder if it's related to CTE. It really is a shame that the league doesn't take better care of the players health. It's an even bigger shame that it takes a player suing the NCAA or SEC to get any sort of help or publicity.
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Are you even reading the thread? I have not seen a single post that doesn't take the danger of head injuries seriously. We are discussing the case of OJ Owens and his individual experience as a player at UT (or lack thereof) is highly relevant to the discussion. He simply didn't practice or play very much and the reasons given for his missed time were unrelated to any head injury.
 
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LWSVOL said:
OJ would try to blow you up when he hit you, even in practice. his problems were he could not grasp executing his responsibilities. He didn't care how big you were, he would throw his body into you.
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It's pretty clear from this quote that he practiced and practiced hard. Is VFL status reserved only for those who play 12-15 games a year? How about the guys who participate in 60 plus practiced?
 
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sanddune50 said:
I doubt very seriously they played football for you or any other nameless, faceless person. Football has been played for over a century. There has been ample evidence how people who play too long suffer consequences later in life. But it comes to personal choice. People don't need other people to make decisions for them. It's not your responsibility or anyone else's other than the person being affected and his family. All this hands across america bs about a new term called 'cte' is a classic example of people rallying around something none of us completely understand and expect wholesale changes. I wouldn't be surprised if this initiative was driven by America's current think tank to take another pleasure away from the people by convincing their legions of mindless lemmings that they need to protect us from ourselves. That's not freedom bud. If you want to cry and feel sympathy about something go to Walter Reed Medical Center or go visit cancer patients. NFL players made a lot of money playing a kids game and some of them stayed too long. As for the NCAA and below, there are no studies linking CTE to these leagues. More insincere bs from people that are clueless on the topic.
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These sentences being placed consecutively are quite humorous

The issue at hand is that we're looking at a disease that is seriously harming people who put their lives on the line for our entertainment. The worse part is that we can't even tell that it is afflicting them until they're dead. Since you can't even truly diagnose CTE until you've chopped open their brain, it's even more difficult to understand just how prevalent it is.

Acting like CTE doesn't link itself to any level of football is unbelievably naive.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Are you even reading the thread? I have not seen a single post that doesn't take the danger of head injuries seriously. We are discussing the case of OJ Owens and his individual experience as a player at UT (or lack thereof) is highly relevant to the discussion. He simply didn't practice or play very much and the reasons given for his missed time were unrelated to any head injury.
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Any chance they could have been intentionally misreporting injuries? Fulmer misreported Ainge's broken finger on purpose
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Are you even reading the thread? I have not seen a single post that doesn't take the danger of head injuries seriously. We are discussing the case of OJ Owens and his individual experience as a player at UT (or lack thereof) is highly relevant to the discussion. He simply didn't practice or play very much and the reasons given for his missed time were unrelated to any head injury.
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Lol that's not what I'm talking about. I'm only highlighting that it takes a lawsuit for any real attention to be brought to the issue, which is really sad. You are the one disputing his claims of problems resulting from head injuries. You act like he couldnt have CTE related issues because his injuries were to the shoulder, not the head...and because he wasn't on the field very much....cmon man. You dont know what the practices were like. Or how often he got his bell rung when he was practicing. Like I said ignorance is on full display in this thread.
 
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If a football player pre-2010 held himself out of a game for concussion symptoms, he was considered "not a team player," a "*****," and "expendable."
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Lol that's not what I'm talking about. I'm only highlighting that it takes a lawsuit for any real attention to be brought to the issue, which is really sad. You are the one disputing his claims of problems resulting from head injuries. You act like he couldnt have CTE related issues because his injuries were to the shoulder, not the head...and because he wasn't on the field very much....cmon man. You dont know what the practices were like. Or how often he got his bell rung when he was practicing. Like I said ignorance is on full display in this thread.
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I'm not disputing anything but only pointing out that the opportunities for either a concussion or some form of head trauma were very limited while at UT... and also saying that if he did suffer a concussion at UT then he should specify when he thinks that happened. I don't believe that just anyone who happened to play college football should be assumed to have CTE.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not disputing anything but only pointing out that the opportunity for either a concussion or some form of head injury were very limited while at UT... and also saying that if he did suffer a concussion at UT then he should specify when he thinks that happened. I don't believe that just anyone who happened to play college football should be assumed to have CTE.
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Really dude? You say you're not disputing anything then contradict yourself in the same sentence. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Really dude? You say you're not disputing anything then contradict yourself in the same sentence. :birgits_giggle:
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How so? I'm just not giving him the benefit of the doubt like some are. That's not a contradiction or a dispute. I just want to know when he thinks he suffered a concussion/head trauma.

The portion you placed in bold is a fact. He did not practice or play very much which limited his opportunities to have injuries of any sort to his head.
 
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crusse10 said:
These sentences being placed consecutively are quite humorous

The issue at hand is that we're looking at a disease that is seriously harming people who put their lives on the line for our entertainment. The worse part is that we can't even tell that it is afflicting them until they're dead. Since you can't even truly diagnose CTE until you've chopped open their brain, it's even more difficult to understand just how prevalent it is.

Acting like CTE doesn't link itself to any level of football is unbelievably naive.
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Through all of your condescending laughter, I have yet to be presented with any proof. Do you have any? And by proof I mean cases of CTE in pop warner, high school, etc. Maybe you should find it humorous that you're championing a cause that is not fully understood as to when a football player developed CTE. I never said it didn't exist. I'm just saying it's laughable that these parents are scared for their little leaguers getting CTE when they can't hit hard enough to give each other a head ache. And for the record, I glad they have implemented concussion protocol. It was a long time overdue.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Through all of your condescending laughter, I have yet to be presented with any proof. Do you have any? And by proof I mean cases of CTE in pop warner, high school, etc. Maybe you should find it humorous that you're championing a cause that is not fully understood as to when a football player developed CTE. I never said it didn't exist. I'm just saying it's laughable that these parents are scared for their little leaguers getting CTE when they can't hit hard enough to give each other a head ache. And for the record, I glad they have implemented concussion protocol. It was a long time overdue.
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Considering one bad jarring of the brain against the skull can do irreparable damage...yeah. It can totally link itself to college football or high school football or middle school football.

And sure, MAYBE a kid can't get a concussion falling to the ground and having his head bounce badly in Pop Warner, but if it's able to happen in middle school and likely to happen at least once in high school and definitely going to happen in college and guaranteed to happen in the League, then why even bother putting that train in motion with your own children?
 
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sanddune50 said:
Through all of your condescending laughter, I have yet to be presented with any proof. Do you have any? And by proof I mean cases of CTE in pop warner, high school, etc. Maybe you should find it humorous that you're championing a cause that is not fully understood as to when a football player developed CTE. I never said it didn't exist. I'm just saying it's laughable that these parents are scared for their little leaguers getting CTE when they can't hit hard enough to give each other a head ache. And for the record, I glad they have implemented concussion protocol. It was a long time overdue.
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The physics that fuel this issue are significantly different between Pop Warner and high school, collegiate, and pro. There are high schoolers now who are, thanks to improved nutrition and exercise, equally as big and fast as some of the NFL guys from the late 70s/early 80s when this issue really began to explode.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How so? I'm just not giving him the benefit of the doubt like some are. That's not a contradiction or a dispute. I just want to know when he thinks he suffered a concussion/head trauma.

The portion you placed in bold is a fact. He did not practice or play very much which limited his opportunities to have injuries of any sort to his head.
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Do i really need to explain? You are "disputing" his claim of problems resulting from head injuries by saying his window for getting the injuries wouldve been really small. That's a load of crap. Like I said you dont know what went on in practices or how hard he threw around his body/head when he was practicing.

What's it going to take for you take the claim seriously? A suicide note that says "please donate my brain to CTE research"? Because at this point an autopsy report is about the only thing that gets peoples attentions in regards to CTE.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Do i really need to explain? You are "disputing" his claim of problems resulting from head injuries by saying his window for getting the injuries wouldve been really small. That's a load of crap. Like I said you dont know what went on in practices or how hard he threw around his body/head when he was practicing.

What's it going to take for you take the claim seriously? A suicide note that says "please donate my brain to CTE research"? Because at this point an autopsy report is about the only thing that gets peoples attentions in regards to CTE.
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His window of opportunity WAS really small. He was inactive most of his career following his shoulder injury (which happened in his 3rd game as a freshman vs La Monroe in 2000).

You are correct that I don't know what went on in practice which is why I said that he should specify when he thinks he either suffered a concussion or some other type of head trauma. I'm not blindly giving him the benefit of the doubt as some will.
 
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crusse10 said:
Considering one bad jarring of the brain against the skull can do irreparable damage...yeah. It can totally link itself to college football or high school football or middle school football.

And sure, MAYBE a kid can't get a concussion falling to the ground and having his head bounce badly in Pop Warner, but if it's able to happen in middle school and likely to happen at least once in high school and definitely going to happen in college and guaranteed to happen in the League, then why even bother putting that train in motion with your own children?
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If everyone had that mentality, we just need to get rid of football all together. Maybe baseball too since a kid could get beaned in the head with a pitch or a line drive. Basketball should be gone too being that a fall to a hard court head first could do 'irreparable damage'. What are some other sports we should ditch because NFL athletes were found to have several cases of CTE?
 
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sanddune50 said:
Everybody thinks they have a legitimate case to sue and avoid working for a living these days. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him play. Take some personal responsibility for a change. Hell, I don't even remember this guy playing.
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That's like crying about people suing big tobacco.....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not disputing anything but only pointing out that the opportunities for either a concussion or some form of head trauma were very limited while at UT... and also saying that if he did suffer a concussion at UT then he should specify when he thinks that happened. I don't believe that just anyone who happened to play college football should be assumed to have CTE.
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It's really a curious thing that you know for a fact that he didn't practice much. What does that even mean? He just sat around during practice? Bull****
 
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sanddune50 said:
If everyone had that mentality, we just need to get rid of football all together. Maybe baseball too since a kid could get beaned in the head with a pitch or a line drive. Basketball should be gone too being that a fall to a hard court head first could do 'irreparable damage'. What are some other sports we should ditch because NFL athletes were found to have several cases of CTE?
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We are headed toward having the NFFL (National Flag Football League) if just anyone who ever held a clipboard or warmed a bench can sue and be compensated for it under the assumption that they must have CTE.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
It's really a curious thing that you know for a fact that he didn't practice much. What does that even mean? He just sat around during practice? Bull****
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He was inactive following his shoulder surgery. He was hampered with recurring shoulder problems his entire career and didn't play or practice much. Yes, we know who is practicing and who isn't! We know that Shy Tuttle didn't go through spring practice, don't we?
 
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BearCat204 said:
That's like crying about people suing big tobacco.....
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Making a point doesn't constitute 'crying'. I think you're crying with your analogy. Does that take away from your comment now because I used the word 'crying'? And it's nothing like people suing big tobacco, unless you're only considering the people who made the willing choice to smoke cigarettes. Wasn't aware that people could get side stream CTE.
 
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sanddune50 said:
If everyone had that mentality, we just need to get rid of football all together. Maybe baseball too since a kid could get beaned in the head with a pitch or a line drive. Basketball should be gone too being that a fall to a hard court head first could do 'irreparable damage'. What are some other sports we should ditch because NFL athletes were found to have several cases of CTE?
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When basketball and baseball become just as aggressively physical, then I'd perhaps agree. Acting like those are even close to similar to the amount of opportunities for a concussion as football shows that you are just talking out of your ass
 
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