Numbers?

[Adam Sandler]

Saw where we have 77 on scholarship, 8 short of the limit. How many did we have in previous years? Will we add more or is this as deep as we’ll be this year because of the scholarship reductions? How many do we still have to leave unfilled and when are we officially no longer under any restrictions?

Thanks in advance!

 

[IndianaVol]

Saw where we have 77 on scholarship, 8 short of the limit. How many did we have in previous years? Will we add more or is this as deep as we’ll be this year because of the scholarship reductions? How many do we still have to leave unfilled and when are we officially no longer under any restrictions?

Thanks in advance!

Just shooting off the cuff and not looking it up...I believe we have to stay below 79 this year (6 less than the allowed 85) and this is the last year of the restriction.

I get back to my computer tomorrow where it's easier to search said information, I'll confirm.

 

[SpookyAction]

82 or 83 is the limit, if I remember correctly.

 

[smokeyz1]

83 is the max scholarships for UT in 2025 due to the Pruitt probation. NCAA Probation wording said UT had to take at least 2 scholarship reduction each year of probation. That prevented UT from taking all the remaining total scholarship reductions in 1 or 2 years.

IIRC, UT has to take 3 scholarship reductions (82 total scholarships) in only one of its remaining probation years to reach the total amount of required scholarship reductions over the entire probation.

One other caveat is IF/WHEN the new NCAA rules pass, the total scholarship limit will be 105 for each P4 team. So UT would be able to have 103 each year of probation after that except for one year of 102.

 

[volsfan24018]

Isn't this our last year of scholarship reductions from the Pruitt fiasco?

 

[smokeyz1]

Isn't this our last year of scholarship reductions from the Pruitt fiasco?

No. I believe it is 2028 but not sure. Someone else can confirm or correct.

EDIT: Just confirmed probation period starting July 14, 2023, and ending July 13, 2028,

 

[stolitonic]

No. I believe it is 2028 but not sure. Someone else can confirm or correct.

EDIT: Just confirmed probation period starting July 14, 2023, and ending July 13, 2028,

But would "probation period" not necessarily equal period of scholarship reductions in this case?

We started cutting out scholarships in 2021 before the final judgement was even announced so we should have already made a serious dent on the number before the "clock" even started.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Saw where we have 77 on scholarship, 8 short of the limit. How many did we have in previous years? Will we add more or is this as deep as we’ll be this year because of the scholarship reductions? How many do we still have to leave unfilled and when are we officially no longer under any restrictions?

Thanks in advance!

Pruitt and Fulmer. The gifts that keep on giving.

 

[smokeyz1]

But would "probation period" not necessarily equal period of scholarship reductions in this case?

We started cutting out scholarships in 2021 before the final judgement was even announced so we should have already made a serious dent on the number before the "clock" even started.

The NCAA did give UT credit for several already reduced scholarships during CJH first couple years, but they would not give complete credit far all of them. UT still had to use a few more during the probation period with at least 2 each year remaining.

 

[IndianaVol]

But would "probation period" not necessarily equal period of scholarship reductions in this case?

We started cutting out scholarships in 2021 before the final judgement was even announced so we should have already made a serious dent on the number before the "clock" even started.

Agree...but unfortunately the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Anything we did prior to the official date was just to help bolster our image and potentially get a lighter sentence from the NCAA...which I truly believe happened.

Kind of think about it like if you have to serve community service, but you go out a month ahead of that and help out at the local orphanage. You don't time off your community service for helping, but the judge will surely look in your favor when it does come to setting that amount.

 

[VolsSince78]

Agree...but unfortunately the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Anything we did prior to the official date was just to help bolster our image and potentially get a lighter sentence from the NCAA...which I truly believe happened.

Kind of think about it like if you have to serve community service, but you go out a month ahead of that and help out at the local orphanage. You don't time off your community service for helping, but the judge will surely look in your favor when it does come to setting that amount.

Per the 2023 agreement, the NCAA docked the Vols 28 scholarships, but gave the Vols credit for 16 scholarships the Vols didn’t award in the 2021-2022 & 2022-2023 school years.

Besides scholarship reductions, Heup/Staff have been dealing with reductions in official visits, player evaluations and communications (see Penalties section in link).

The Vols can award 82 or 83 scholarships next school year, and I think have currently awarded 78, counting Jakobe Thomas.

Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons - NCAA.org

Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations — encompassing more than 200 individual infractions — most of which

www.ncaa.org

 

[Rocky Top T]

Pruitt and Fulmer. The gifts that keep on giving.

You got that right. Got no time for either

 

[BruisedOrange]

Agree...but unfortunately the NCAA doesn't see it that way. Anything we did prior to the official date was just to help bolster our image and potentially get a lighter sentence from the NCAA...which I truly believe happened.

Kind of think about it like if you have to serve community service, but you go out a month ahead of that and help out at the local orphanage. You don't time off your community service for helping, but the judge will surely look in your favor when it does come to setting that amount.

Note to self: Call local orphanage Monday

 

[stolitonic]

Per the 2023 agreement, the NCAA docked the Vols 28 scholarships, but gave the Vols credit for 16 scholarships the Vols didn’t award in the 2021-2022 & 2022-2023 school years.

Besides scholarship reductions, Heup/Staff have been dealing with reductions in official visits, player evaluations and communications (see Penalties section in link).

The Vols can award 82 or 83 scholarships next school year, and I think have currently awarded 78, counting Jakobe Thomas.

Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons - NCAA.org

Over the course of three seasons, the Tennessee football program committed 18 Level I violations — encompassing more than 200 individual infractions — most of which

www.ncaa.org

Could one of you fine gentlemen perhaps offer some insight into the circled section?

No advertising by the University during the 23-24 off-season? What the heck? Are they talking about those goofy "cliche ways of saying our school is the best" things they usually show at halftime on the TV broadcasts?

 

[stolitonic]

Note to self: Call local orphanage Monday

Trying to see if they have a football team? You responsible for lining up Bama's OOC schedule or something?

(I couldn't resist-sorry. I understand your post lol)

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Pruitt and Fulmer. The gifts that keep on giving.

They aren’t why we are 5 under our limit.

 

[LWSVOL]

83 is the max scholarships for UT in 2025 due to the Pruitt probation. NCAA Probation wording said UT had to take at least 2 scholarship reduction each year of probation. That prevented UT from taking all the remaining total scholarship reductions in 1 or 2 years.

IIRC, UT has to take 3 scholarship reductions (82 total scholarships) in only one of its remaining probation years to reach the total amount of required scholarship reductions over the entire probation.

One other caveat is IF/WHEN the new NCAA rules pass, the total scholarship limit will be 105 for each P4 team. So UT would be able to have 103 each year of probation after that except for one year of 102.

If the house settlement expands rosters, which it hasn't been finalized yet, the SEC has opted to keep roster sizes at 85 for the 2025. until SEC changes that, SEC will be 85..

 

[LWSVOL]

But would "probation period" not necessarily equal period of scholarship reductions in this case?

We started cutting out scholarships in 2021 before the final judgement was even announced so we should have already made a serious dent on the number before the "clock" even started.

the final judgement was that UT had to reduce the number by 12 over the next five years, through the 2027 season. They could not take a one year hit and absorb all 12. Had to reduce by at least 2 every year of the 5 years which means taking an additional one at least two years.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

If the house settlement expands rosters, which it hasn't been finalized yet, the SEC has opted to keep roster sizes at 85 for the 2025. until SEC changes that, SEC will be 85..

I haven't researched it extensively, and class actions are not my thing, but I don't see how the House settlement is ever going to bind future players and if it doesn't, what good is it really (other than absolving the NCAA for past antitrust violations)? It would seem to me that it will effectively settle claims concerning past conduct but any hope that it will effectively set any enforceable parameters for the sport going forward are misplaced.

 

[Sara Clark]

And, beginning in the 2021 season, Tennessee disassociated from an unnamed booster. The university stopped accepting money from or providing athletics privileges not available to the general public.

As part of the five-year NCAAA probation, Tennessee must:

• Pay fine, including $8 million, 50% of gross revenue paid to SEC for Tennessee's participation in the 2020 TaxSlayer Gator Bowl under Pruitt, $5,000 plus 3% of football budget
• Vacate all wins and individual records in any game in which 16 individual sanctioned players participated. Those games will announced later.
• Cut 28 scholarships from its roster over five years. Tennessee had already self-imposed 16 scholarships over the past two seasons.
• Cease communication with recruits for 28 weeks spread over five years.
• End unofficial visits by recruits for 40 weeks over five years.
• Cut 36 official visits by recruits over five years.
• Cut 120 evaluation days over five years.

**I believe July 2028 is when probation ends.

 

[Batman1948]

83 is the max scholarships for UT in 2025 due to the Pruitt probation. NCAA Probation wording said UT had to take at least 2 scholarship reduction each year of probation. That prevented UT from taking all the remaining total scholarship reductions in 1 or 2 years.

IIRC, UT has to take 3 scholarship reductions (82 total scholarships) in only one of its remaining probation years to reach the total amount of required scholarship reductions over the entire probation.

One other caveat is IF/WHEN the new NCAA rules pass, the total scholarship limit will be 105 for each P4 team. So UT would be able to have 103 each year of probation after that except for one year of 102.

I thought the SEC was still gonna cap scholarships at 85 and not go to the 105 number. I'm guessing a cost saving measure going forward

 

[smokeyz1]

I thought the SEC was still gonna cap scholarships at 85 and not go to the 105 number. I'm guessing a cost saving measure going forward

SEC put out a notice that 2025 would still be 85 for SEC schools. Guessing that was because teams have to set rosters now and the new rule hasn't passed yet. If it gets passed, the SEC would most likely update to 105 the following season. If not SEC teams would be at a big disadvantage to other conferences.

 

[FranklinVFL]

But would "probation period" not necessarily equal period of scholarship reductions in this case?

We started cutting out scholarships in 2021 before the final judgement was even announced so we should have already made a serious dent on the number before the "clock" even started.

The scholarship reductions we took prior to the announcement counts towards the total # of scholarship reductions we had to take overall, but it did not set the timer to 2021....the timer started when the penalties were announced in 2023....

So, and I will get these numbers wrong, but the concept is the same:

We were penalized a total of 28 scholarship reductions
We took 16 over 2021 and 2022 and got credit for them
That left us 12 total scholarship reductions from 2023 - 2028.
We have to take a minimum of 2 reductions/year during that period.

Someone on here has the exact numbers, but it worked something like that.

 

[LWSVOL]

I haven't researched it extensively, and class actions are not my thing, but I don't see how the House settlement is ever going to bind future players and if it doesn't, what good is it really (other than absolving the NCAA for past antitrust violations)? It would seem to me that it will effectively settle claims concerning past conduct but any hope that it will effectively set any enforceable parameters for the sport going forward are misplaced.

IMO

The house settlement will not be in effect very long. There are already lawsuits being filed based on the details that have been released and some of that is being modified.

There is definitely going to be lawsuits based on the payments schools will be making to athletes. Some are not getting anything and others are getting a lot. That will end up being litigated.

There are lawsuits by walk-ons already in progress who are suing because they are losing their opportunities. The roster size increases and the fact they are getting scholarship players has created that.

I'm certain there are going to be many parts of the house settlement still going to litigation.

 

[EZE]

Pruitt and Fulmer. The gifts that keep on giving.

Yeah, Fulmer really crapped the bed with that loser.