Numbers Crunch

#26
#26
I'm thinking 2, maybe 3 will be asked to look around.
Who? I dunno.

But just looking at where we are and who we are in it for, signs are there
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#28
#28
Bullard as a transfer only counts to the overall total 85. That is how you can play catch up when you are under the 85 cap, take transfers.
 
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#29
#29
There is no way that Bullard should court toward the 25!
Walk ons get placed on scholarship all the time but are counted toward the 85. How many times has the long snapper received a scholarship in his Sr year? The answer is plenty but count toward 85 not 25.
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#31
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BJWeeks said:
There is no way that Bullard should court toward the 25!
Walk ons get placed on scholarship all the time but are counted toward the 85. How many times has the long snapper received a scholarship in his Sr year? The answer is plenty but count toward 85 not 25.
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These were also my thoughts.
 
#33
#33
Aren't we going to be oversigned against the 85 by about 10? I have us at 82 right now (counting Bullard) minus 12 graduating + potentially 25 = 95. So we need to lose 10 from the roster. Maybe a few that have been recruited over will transfer?
 
#34
#34
You'll have defections, cuts, and some recruits told to look around if needed. The staff won't turn down better players.
 
#35
#35
Don't forget that it is not set in stone that Bullard will get a scholarship. Sure, he has earned it, but he may be willing to "take one for the team" and continue to pay his own way as he is doing now. His family is not hurting financially and I believe that is a real possibility.

In the same way, Ayers could also "take one for the team" give up his scholarship. Again, finances are not a problem and his playing time is far more likely to decrease from here on out.

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#36
#36
mchandl7 said:
Aren't we going to be oversigned against the 85 by about 10? I have us at 82 right now (counting Bullard) minus 12 graduating + potentially 25 = 95. So we need to lose 10 from the roster. Maybe a few that have been recruited over will transfer?
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I thought the 85 was the scholarship cap only, a team can carry more players but only dress out a certain number each week.
anyone know how that works?
 
#38
#38
You can sign 25 players per year

You can have 85 total players on scholarship

You can have 100 players on the team total (Scholarship, Walkon's, Etc)
 
#39
#39
iirc hubbs has previously said he would count against the 25 limit... Hope I'm wrong but I think that's the case.
 
#40
#40
17Vols said:
I thought the 85 was the scholarship cap only, a team can carry more players but only dress out a certain number each week.
anyone know how that works?
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It is the scholarship cap, walkons don't count. But most players currently on scholarship probably won't stick around if you pull their scholarship and ask them to be walkons. So we would have to drop 10 scholarship players between the end of the season and next season. Normal attrition will take care of some of it, a few players may be slightly pushed to graduate early/transfer too.
 
#41
#41
bullard and thomas count towards the 85 but jansen jackson leavin doesnt count towards the 85 but u can back count him toward the 2012 signing class so when you have guys like pope meline askew hughes sykes and jackson ofcourse theres six guys right there that ut can back count
 
#42
#42
volfrk86 said:
bullard and thomas count towards the 85 but jansen jackson leavin doesnt count towards the 85 but u can back count him toward the 2012 signing class so when you have guys like pope meline askew hughes sykes and jackson ofcourse theres six guys right there that ut can back count
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wut?
 
#43
#43
17Vols said:
I thought the 85 was the scholarship cap only, a team can carry more players but only dress out a certain number each week.
anyone know how that works?
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Back a long time ago, you used to be able to dress as many as you wanted at home...oftentimes 80-100. And you could carry 60 on the travel squad. Don't know any more...?
 
#44
#44
TheRain said:
I don't know if this is a help but this is what I found on a quick search. Didn't see anything that talked directly about transfers however...
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I'm not sure where your quote came from, but signing 25 players per year is an SEC rule not a NCAA rule. The only NCAA rule is the 85 limit.
 
#45
#45
Jackson_Harris said:
Back a long time ago, you used to be able to dress as many as you wanted at home...oftentimes 80-100. And you could carry 60 on the travel squad. Don't know any more...?
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There is a SEC rule about how many you can dress at home during a conference game, but you can dress more during an out of conference game. Not sure the exact #'s
 
#46
#46
From ncaa.org... this doesn't go into everything I wanted it to but this is what came up. I know the SEC allows only 25.
Division I recently addressed a concern involving the practice of oversigning. Programs were signing many more than the 25 prospective student-athletes they are allowed to carry on scholarships for the entering class. The oversigning was done in anticipation that some of the recruits would not qualify academically or would drop out for another other reason. Because the rules limit the number of student-athletes on scholarship, current or prospective student-athletes could find their scholarships were no longer available.

In January, the Division I Legislative Council approved legislation for Football Bowl Subdivision programs to specify an annual limit of 28 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from the initial signing date of the regular signing period of the National Letter of Intent through May 31. The legislation encourages institutional personnel to discuss academic and admission qualifications of each prospective student-athlete (rather than simply athletics ability) before sending the prospective student-athlete a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of financial aid. The legislation also reduces the number of signed prospective student-athletes signed who are unlikely to meet NCAA academic-eligibility requirements.
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#47
#47
ORANGE & WHITE said:
You'll have defections, cuts, and some recruits told to look around if needed. The staff won't turn down better players.
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I agree with this. :hi: In the past 12 months, a total of eleven players on scholarship left the program for various reasons: Raines, Oku, Pope, Askew, Meline, Revis, Hughes, Sykes, T. Williams, J. Jackson, & P. Martin.

Looking at our current roster, it's not hard to imagine the same number leaving next year (in addition to our seniors).
 
#48
#48
If you are an SEC school and dont have a number crunch issue with 85, your doing something wrong or you have depth issues.
 
#49
#49
Pretty sure the reason Bullard counts against the 25 is that he transfered without sitting out a year. Even though it was a hardship case, he counts as an initial once he goes on scholarship.
 
#50
#50
I think after tonight it becomes more aware that we have to maximize our class with best players out there and if we have to drop some lower ranked ones then so be it.
 
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