NRA and GOP block bill to prevent terrorists from buying guns and explosives

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lawgator1 said:
So back to the discussion at hand....

Will any of you admit that suspected terrorists should not be allowed to buy guns?
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If only real terrorists are on the list then I don't mind. But this no fly list is easy to get on. You don't even have to be some bad dude.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Suspected means on the no Fly list or its equivalent.
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The no fly list is names. It's been shown that people having the same name as someone on the list is treated as if on the list.

Further, people are unaware they are on the list.

Some fun reading.

https://reason.com/blog/2014/08/05/contain-your-shock-huge-numbers-of-peopl

This will not come as a surprise to Reason regulars: More than 40 percent of the people on the United States federal government terrorism watch lists have no discernable connection to any terrorist group.
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The delay/verify plan allows for people not to get barred from gun purchase simply because they have the same name as someone on the no fly list.
 
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Anyone trusting this administration to honestly manage any kind of list or any kind of "well intended" legislation is a moron. Very little they have done has been respectful of the constitution or the American people. I don't trust them as far as Hillary Clinton can utter what difference does it make. What part of "shall not be infringed" do liberals not understand? Answer: they understand it perfectly but have no respect whatsoever for the 2nd amendment and will deceive, manipulate, attack, bald faced lie and do anything possible to deny gun rights to as many as they can get away with.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So back to the discussion at hand....

Will any of you admit that suspected terrorists should not be allowed to buy guns?
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To paraphrase your girl, "What difference would it make"? Actually, if suspected terrorists are stupid enough to buy guns thru legal channels, then we would have reason to suspect and monitor them. In other words, they would be tipping their hand. When they buy them underground, we don't know about it. Or maybe when they show up as having TRIED to buy a weapon thru legal channels, we could put them on double secret probation. Of course the most recent azzhat jihadis had someone else buy their weapons. You are advocating nothing more than liberal feel good eyewash that solves nothing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So back to the discussion at hand....

Will any of you admit that suspected terrorists should not be allowed to buy guns?
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Should an American citizen who is a suspected terrorist and/or a citizen on the watch list be allowed to vote?
 
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Why is this also being treated as a hate crime? Oh I forgot that only applies to certain situations based on race and sexual orientation.. The other killings are just work place violence
 
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Biopsyman said:
Why is this also being treated as a hate crime? Oh I forgot that only applies to certain situations based on race and sexual orientation.. The other killings are just work place violence
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Surely one of the dead in San Bernardino is black or gay, or has at least had a homosexual thought at some point.
That would make it a hate crime, wouldn't it?
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

And they did it the day after the San Bernardino massacre.

Every single one of them should immediately be impeached. There is absolutely no rational line of thought that can justify this vote.
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I think the day after this event was the perfect time to block this bill. Hell, everyone wants more guns since its more evident than ever we must protect ourselves. Additional reason would be, if the congress and executive branch don't start following the will of the people they may need to be replaced, all at once. Certainly no time to be passing gun control bills. Once the number of guns owned passed 400 million the idea of control seems pretty ridiculous at best.
 
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A better title for this thread would be: "Democrats push bill that deprives people of constitutional rights without due process"
 
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UTCVol said:
A better title for this thread would be: "Democrats push bill that deprives people of constitutional rights without due process"
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Hey the Messiah did say he was gonna fundamentally change the country.


Ban the Constitution. - King Putt
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

And they did it the day after the San Bernardino massacre.

Every single one of them should immediately be impeached. There is absolutely no rational line of thought that can justify this vote.
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This thread is a moot point. If The Feds are keeping a registry and are able to tell who the terrorists are right now, then what good would this bit of legislation have done?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This thread is a moot point. If The Feds are keeping a registry and are able to tell who the terrorists are right now, then what good would this bit of legislation have done?
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These type bills pander to both bases. It is all for show, shows our elected officials are fight for or against gun legislation. It helps with fund raising and with being reelected.
 
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Gramps said:
These type bills pander to both bases. It is all for show, shows our elected officials are fight for or against gun legislation. It helps with fund raising and with being reelected.
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But but but LG said the Republicans need to be impeached.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP blocks bill to stop terrorists from buying guns | MSNBC

And they did it the day after the San Bernardino massacre.

Every single one of them should immediately be impeached. There is absolutely no rational line of thought that can justify this vote.
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Let's take a breath.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're against profiling/stereotyping Muslims because they're Muslims, but ready to do just that if it involves possessing a firearm based upon the No-Fly list, known for its irrevocably injudicious denial and harassment of people? For example, even after DHS Sec. Tom Ridge personally intervened to have Sen. TKennedy removed from the list, it took three weeks. How long would you or I be on that list? Or a Muslim citizen? Perpetually. This bill's defeat is not synonymous with terrorists being able to buy guns.

If you still think it a good idea to deny people who may be on the NF or Terror Watchlist, how long do you deny them rights? Interminable denial, a la Gitmo? Better to not let them in at all or deport them than pollute our justice system with that inconsistency while assuring ourselves we're 'free' and 'diverse'.

Compounding the problem are the presence of "nose under the tent, let's show them the rest of the camel" Schumer at the bargaining table, and "ban 'em (but I'm armed)" Feinstein, both longstanding bad faith negotiators on gun issues. You want thoughtful, considered proposals then send people with those traits to deal.

Consider another organization that would have a problem with the (defeated) bill since it's the same Manchin-Toomey bill defeated in 2013. The ACLU opposed the universal background checks proposal on privacy and separate & unequal justice concerns:
https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-statement-senate-gun-control-package and has taken the government to court over No-Fly grievances: https://www.aclu.org/cases/latif-et-al-v-holder-et-al-aclu-challenge-government-no-fly-list Having been defeated before, this was a show vote, nothing more.

People's rights should not conform to speculative or sensationalist soundbites, and it isn't quite as simple as yelling "NRA! Republicans!". Politico details the bill & amendments up for vote: Gun measures fail in Senate - POLITICO
 
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lawgator1 said:
So back to the discussion at hand....

Will any of you admit that suspected terrorists should not be allowed to buy guns?
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You should read up on who and how people get on the NF or Terror Watch lists, before we redux FDR by making people the Walking Interned based upon suspicion, association, or transaction.
 
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