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#51
#51
How bad does a position coach have to be before you get rid of them? We've had really good talent at wr the past 2 years, and have nothing to show for it. The lack of coaching at the wr position could be butch's undoing. Just think what our record would've been if the passing game was half way on point last season. Everyone talks about the defense's inability to get off the field on 4th down last season, while it was an issue, the D did get better by season's end. The wr production didn't, and we played some bad teams the second half of the schedule. He should've been fired the first day CBJ had to take over his position.
 
#52
#52
I have been a WR coach for the last decade and you're absolutely correct about coaching the finer details. Consistent performance at ANY position rest considerably on sound fundamentals/technique. Granted each player is different, but good technique is good technique no matter the player's individual talent. Many on this board seem to want to argue that Azzani 'overcoaches' these details and somehow 'restraining' these talented WRs. I assert that his diligence equips them by making the fundamentals of the position second nature. There are many factors surrounding this topic that none of us on volnation know, which makes everything we say conjecture. CBJ knows and has proven he can identify quality coaches, even ones that are relatively unknown. If he decides to keep or replace CZA I trust his decision.

He has yet to have a WR room that is both healthy and has its best talent in veteran players (largely due to injuries).

Injuries. It would be interesting to see how our wr list matches up with other teams..
 
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#53
#53
With all the different piece's of the passing game that's been off its hard to pass judgement on CZA IMO.

1) There's been a lot of injuries at WR the past 2 seasons so it's hard to expect them to have had much production. Pig and North were hurt, Von didn't practice with the team and took a while to get going. 2014 Josh Smith was injured along with North, etc.

2) Dobbs accuracy has been very inconsistent. Under throwing and over throwing, WR's having to make catches that are behind them making it hard to make YAC if they even can catch the ball.

3) Oline pass pro was all time bad in 2014 and below avg in 2015. WR's need time to run their routes and breaks to get open for a chance to catch the ball.

Maybe CZA is a horrible WR coach but there's just too many variables that's been working against the passing game the last 2 seasons to KNOW its his fault.

If pass pro is good this year and if Dobbs is improved and if the WR's stay healthy for the most part and the passing game still doesn't improve significantly then I say off with his head!
 
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#54
#54
All of our newcomers at WR look good right now. They just got here more or less.

This past spring Jeff George looked good.

Malone first spring he looked good...5 star good.

I have a feeling next year,

unless Azzani is gone...these new wrs who look so good right now, will have regressed by that time.

North also looked great his freshman year.

Sorry about the negativity...
I just don't understand how he can take so much talent and waste it...


LOL at people who say they are sorry but post it anyway.

If you post it, own it.
 
#55
#55
I agree with GA about North. He was hurt early on in the season. It's hard to blame that on ZA.

But I think it's fair that a lot of eyes will be on Azzani this year, to see how this current group performs throughout the season.

I'd really like to see Malone step up. And from all reports, Preston Williams looks the part this year.

Josh Smith should be solid with another year under his belt.

He's your typical white slot receiver type guy. And no not racIst.. He's a solid dependable reciever
 
#56
#56
I have both played and coached wr. Coach z had similar reviews in his time at Florida if I'm not mistaken. Look at production during Kippy Brown era.

While I agree there's several factors to pass judgement.but when habitats occur yearly fingers start pointing usually to the coach. It's definitely debatable and reoccurring

Routes are learned from habits. Habits are learned in film study and practice. Practice is taught by the coach.

It should also be noted that we saw noticeable improvement from the wr unit when Butch , wr coach at heart, stepped in mid season and put his hands on the unit. Also not helping Z's case.

Things also seemed not rhythmic since he was deemed passing coordinator. Another debatable topic.

All in all. Great personality guy, good eye for talent, good recruiter, average at best teacher of talent imo.

The wr stance I have questioned since I saw it. Stance should be developed to fit the individuals build and comfort coming off the ball not just a unit.

Hope we are all wrong and coach Z proves us all wrong but many questions at this point. So here's to coach Z for most improved unit this year! Go vols

Swain is that you bro?
 
#58
#58
I have both played and coached wr. Coach z had similar reviews in his time at Florida if I'm not mistaken. Look at production during Kippy Brown era.

While I agree there's several factors to pass judgement.but when habitats occur yearly fingers start pointing usually to the coach. It's definitely debatable and reoccurring

Routes are learned from habits. Habits are learned in film study and practice. Practice is taught by the coach.

It should also be noted that we saw noticeable improvement from the wr unit when Butch , wr coach at heart, stepped in mid season and put his hands on the unit. Also not helping Z's case.

Things also seemed not rhythmic since he was deemed passing coordinator. Another debatable topic.

All in all. Great personality guy, good eye for talent, good recruiter, average at best teacher of talent imo.

The wr stance I have questioned since I saw it. Stance should be developed to fit the individuals build and comfort coming off the ball not just a unit.

Hope we are all wrong and coach Z proves us all wrong but many questions at this point. So here's to coach Z for most improved unit this year! Go vols

Thank you
 
#59
#59
I think it was more the S&C coach which has also been replaced. Time to get off Azzanis' back.

Oh Really? Hes getting paid 6 figures to coach, and hes doing a crappy job at his respective position.

What am i missing?
 
#60
#60
He's your typical white slot receiver type guy. And no not racIst.. He's a solid dependable reciever

Wth???

No hes not. Hes white, yes, but the guy can and has produced at every wr spot. X,y, and Z.


Nothing "typical" about that.

Lucas Taylor fits the mold better than what you're trying to place on Josh Smith
 
#61
#61
AZ out of eligibility this year if receivers don't improve...substantially...:yes:

GO VOLS!
 
#62
#62
Wth???

No hes not. Hes white, yes, but the guy can and has produced at every wr spot. X,y, and Z.


Nothing "typical" about that.

Lucas Taylor fits the mold better than what you're trying to place on Josh Smith
What's with Wth??? Can't people jus disagree with you on here without being so.. Never mind I understand what you're saying these are my opinion on the guy...
 
#63
#63
I think this is all very interesting. I'm not signaling out anyone in particular so nobody get their panties in a wad but fact is that most fans have no credibility when it comes to discussing the firing of a position coach...IMO. They only do so based on statistical production of a certain group. My point being in most cases talented players are the key to the coaches image.

Coach Elder - Is deemed one of the best ST coaches ever at UT in the eyes of fans (I'm not disagreeing). But, he had Cam, EB, and Kamara taking balls to the house and a punter with one hell of a leg.

Coach Mahoney - I can remember so many people calling for his head early on. Well now his group has more experience and being called one of the best in conference. Now nobody has any issues with OL coach.

Coach Z - Injuries played a big role but most people are glancing over our play style. A) he doesn't call the plays and B) we have a 3 heads running back monster who dominates touches. That's the bottom line. And when we do throw we aren't looking to hit the home run. Our WR production is a bi-product of our recent style of play. Considering we are supposed to change that this year, I would look for this groups production to increase. But make no mistake we will still be feeding our horses in the backfield and calling quick hitters.

Look, not making excuses for the guy but lots of factors are present here. If we ran a spread and threw 75% of plays then he may look like a genius to many. I'm just not sure he can be judged fairly taking everything into account.
 
#65
#65
I think this is all very interesting. I'm not signaling out anyone in particular so nobody get their panties in a wad but fact is that most fans have no credibility when it comes to discussing the firing of a position coach...IMO. They only do so based on statistical production of a certain group. My point being in most cases talented players are the key to the coaches image.

Coach Elder - Is deemed one of the best ST coaches ever at UT in the eyes of fans (I'm not disagreeing). But, he had Cam, EB, and Kamara taking balls to the house and a punter with one hell of a leg.

Coach Mahoney - I can remember so many people calling for his head early on. Well now his group has more experience and being called one of the best in conference. Now nobody has any issues with OL coach.

Coach Z - Injuries played a big role but most people are glancing over our play style. A) he doesn't call the plays and B) we have a 3 heads running back monster who dominates touches. That's the bottom line. And when we do throw we aren't looking to hit the home run. Our WR production is a bi-product of our recent style of play. Considering we are supposed to change that this year, I would look for this groups production to increase. But make no mistake we will still be feeding our horses in the backfield and calling quick hitters.

Look, not making excuses for the guy but lots of factors are present here. If we ran a spread and threw 75% of plays then he may look like a genius to many. I'm just not sure he can be judged fairly taking everything into account.

As far as Mahoney and the OL is concerned, I wonder how much of a role Debord played in the improvement.
 
#66
#66
I have both played and coached wr. Coach z had similar reviews in his time at Florida if I'm not mistaken. Look at production during Kippy Brown era.

While I agree there's several factors to pass judgement.but when habitats occur yearly fingers start pointing usually to the coach. It's definitely debatable and reoccurring

Routes are learned from habits. Habits are learned in film study and practice. Practice is taught by the coach.

It should also be noted that we saw noticeable improvement from the wr unit when Butch , wr coach at heart, stepped in mid season and put his hands on the unit. Also not helping Z's case.

Things also seemed not rhythmic since he was deemed passing coordinator. Another debatable topic.

All in all. Great personality guy, good eye for talent, good recruiter, average at best teacher of talent imo.

The wr stance I have questioned since I saw it. Stance should be developed to fit the individuals build and comfort coming off the ball not just a unit.

Hope we are all wrong and coach Z proves us all wrong but many questions at this point. So here's to coach Z for most improved unit this year! Go vols

^This x 1000
 
#67
#67
Azzanni can recruit is why he sticks around if you ask me. QBs and WRs are his wheelhouse is what I understand.
 
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#69
#69
Azzani is the weakest along with Martinez on D. Shoop will hide any secondary problems this year.

ZA needs to step it up.
 
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#70
#70
All of our newcomers at WR look good right now. They just got here more or less.

This past spring Jeff George looked good.

Malone first spring he looked good...5 star good.

I have a feeling next year,

unless Azzani is gone...these new wrs who look so good right now, will have regressed by that time.

North also looked great his freshman year.

Sorry about the negativity...
I just don't understand how he can take so much talent and waste it...

I dont agree. There are many factors such as injuries, lack of depth, past o-line problems etc. Our o-line, so far, has blocked better for Hurd and Kamara than they do pass protecting for Dobbs. But that will change. Have faith man ;)
 
#71
#71
All of our newcomers at WR look good right now. They just got here more or less.

This past spring Jeff George looked good.

Malone first spring he looked good...5 star good.

I have a feeling next year,

unless Azzani is gone...these new wrs who look so good right now, will have regressed by that time.

North also looked great his freshman year.

Sorry about the negativity...
I just don't understand how he can take so much talent and waste it...

Butch does not see any of the negativity from your observations.. none
 
#72
#72
Butch does not see any of the negativity from your observations.. none

Butch doesn't see anything from, period.
What's your point?

Me and many others want to see our talented WRs produce.
Our talented wrs want to get a chance to produce.

Our defense would like this as well so that they could get more rest and not get worn down because of stalled drives.
 
#73
#73
Butch doesn't see anything from, period.
What's your point?

Me and many others want to see our talented WRs produce.
Our talented wrs want to get a chance to produce.

Our defense would like this as well so that they could get more rest and not get worn down because of stalled drives.

Butch has Azzanni handling the position exactly as he wants it. Being a former WR coach he understands what he wants out of the position. He wants improvements but doesn't see coaching as the problem
 
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