Not Understanding the Dooley Love

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Volfan8282 said:
I'm not running around in circles. No one has yet explained anything that Dooley has done this year to inspire the kind of confidence that we're seeing surround him. The fact that he has "good hair" and is "well spoken" means squat when it comes down to competing against the best in the SEC. The measuring stick will be how competitive he makes us when he has some actual talent to work with. That's the only thing that matters, and he hasn't gotten that shot yet. If you want to get all giddy like a school girl over the guy for no substantive reason, have at it.
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to simplify things....how about he took a team with no quality depth, void of O-linemen and D tackles, no proven QB and managed to get bowl eligible? How about managing to keep the team playing hard with maximum effort after being manhandled the month of October? How about changing the offense to suit Bray's strengths?

Do any of these fit the bill or do you require pictures drawn with crayons?:mega_shok:
 
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andrewh said:
This thread just needs to be closed. It's just going in circles.
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Seriously. We won 4 in a row, are going to a bowl game, and end the season with momentum on our side, on the field AND on the recruiting trail. I don't give two flying craps whether people "understand the love" or not. If CDD keeps winning, he has my vote.
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Volfan8282 said:
Exactly... that's why I kinda thought this year would be a wash from the beginning. We didn't have the talent/depth. It would've been a wash for anyone.
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That was not an attempt to support your point of view - I was actually asking the question with the hope that you'd give me an answer.

I heartily disagree with your assertion that there is nothing from this season that can be used to make any kind of evaluation of Dooley's coaching ability. Can we make rock solid, conclusive statements? No, but that's not what people have been doing. Anyone who says he's comparable to Nick Saban is clearly living in a dream world at this point, but the folks who say they are encouraged by the 4-game win streak after a dismal start are not off base. The cupboard was essentially bare coming into the season, and our coaching staff kept the team from giving up when there was little reason to be optimistic. They switched QBs and helped to develop some of the young talent on the team, and the results have been positive on many fronts. This gives us a reason to be excited for the future. In the coming years, the talent level will undoubtedly be much higher, but it's not like this season doesn't have evaluative potential regarding Dooley. He helped turn a potential disaster into a solid building block for future seasons. Why is it so wrong to be encouraged by that?
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I'm not running around in circles. No one has yet explained anything that Dooley has done this year to inspire the kind of confidence that we're seeing surround him. The fact that he has "good hair" and is "well spoken" means squat when it comes down to competing against the best in the SEC. The measuring stick will be how competitive he makes us when he has some actual talent to work with. That's the only thing that matters, and he hasn't gotten that shot yet. If you want to get all giddy like a school girl over the guy for no substantive reason, have at it.
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I haven't gotten 'giddy'. I am simply throwing my support behind the Vols coach. He has shown some things in the passed four weeks that warrant my support. If you don't think so thats fine - I just don't think it should take you 9 pages of garbage to figure it out.
 
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For what it's worth Nick Saban, when asked which of his disciples he would least prefer being a coach in his backyard, responded this way- "well, 2 or 3 come to mind, but as of this day I would say definitely Derek Dooley. He is a much, much better head coach at this stage in his career than I was in mine." Saban said that 2 days before Lane Kiffin quit at Tennessee.

On a side note does anyone have an opinion on if the Rivals paysite is worth the money, does it provide any insight not available here?
 
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raptor273 said:
For what it's worth Nick Saban, when asked which of his disciples he would least prefer being a coach in his backyard, responded this way- "well, 2 or 3 come to mind, but as of this day I would say definitely Derek Dooley. He is a much, much better head coach at this stage in his career than I was in mine." Saban said that 2 days before Lane Kiffin quit at Tennessee.

On a side note does anyone have an opinion on if the Rivals paysite is worth the money, does it provide any insight not available here?
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I just started on volquest and you get some nice info. The war room is really the main thing you're paying for - which is to say Hubb's insider info on recruiting, etc.
 
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On a side note does anyone have an opinion on if the Rivals paysite is worth the money, does it provide any insight not available here?[/QUOTE]



They have better info but LV and jmoore provide us with the good stuff from those sites.:good!:
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I'm not trying to show that he won't do well here. I'm just trying to have people show me why they think he will ultimately be at that level b/c what it basically boils down to is winning championships (SEC and/or BCS). If all of these people just love Dooley and give him tons of praise (comparisons to Saban for example), then surely they've seen the light as to what makes him able to compete with the upper echelon of the SEC, correct?

They can't prove it b/c Dooley hasn't had that opportunity yet. They can point out some positives and some improvements, but those don't take you to that level. They just don't.
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You're a troll, nothing more.
 
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Win 8 games next season and close out recruiting well this spring and Dooley looks like a steal.

Dooley looks good now, but he needs to show consistent improvement to get a huge vote of confidence from me.

I like what he did this year (for the most part) and holding this team together was huge.

However, at the end of the day, he took a depleted Tennessee squad that was still better than Vandy and Memphis and right there with Ole Miss and Kentucky talent wise and won. So being a better coach than Houston Nutt and Joker Phillips is okay, but Tennessee fans should expect that from a Tennessee HC.
 
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justingroves said:
Win 8 games next season and close out recruiting well this spring and Dooley looks like a steal.

Dooley looks good now, but he needs to show consistent improvement to get a huge vote of confidence from me.

I like what he did this year (for the most part) and holding this team together was huge.

However, at the end of the day, he took a depleted Tennessee squad that was still better than Vandy and Memphis and right there with Ole Miss and Kentucky talent wise and won. So being a better coach than Houston Nutt and Joker Phillips is okay, but Tennessee fans should expect that from a Tennessee HC.
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Good post.

We know more than we did to start the season and most of that new knowledge is positive. But we do not know enough to draw a conclusion one way or the other about Dooley.

It is encouraging however that people close to and within the program express high confidence along with a guy like Saban who worked very closely with him.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
First off, let me say that I don't dislike Dooley. He's a personable coach that seems to relate well to the players. So, this isn't a knock against him or a statement that he won't ultimately do well at UT.

But, I kinda wish everyone would look at the 6 games we won and who they were against. The combined record of those teams is 23 - 44 (.343).

I understand the depth issues, and I understand the just overall lack of talent. I'm not arguing that we should've beaten any of the teams that we lost to necessarily. All of that is why I don't get how anyone can necessarily love or hate Dooley. But, pretty much all that I've seen on here is tons of praise for Dooley.

I have no clue if this coaching staff can ultimately compete with Meyer, Saban, Petrino, Spurrier, etc. Yet, people just continually praise him for winning those 6 games. I just really don't get it. Anyone care to explain that? And, again, I understand the depth/talent issues, but, even given that, there would've been no reason for us to lose to any of those 6 teams that we beat.
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I understand with the turmoil that has surrounded our program over the past fire years, with the recruiting or lack there of, the coaching changes, and THE University of Tennessee being one bad hire away from a Miami type program, maybe the reasoning for your pessimistic attitude towards CDD. In my opinion, humbly at that, Dooley has done an outstanding job here, be as it may, circumstantial...Think about the talent Kiffin had last year. 3 draft picks in what? The top 40? With the greatest defensive back Tennessee has ever had, and Dennis on the other side of EB, who had a solid career here. Then you lose RA at DE, and Wes Brown. Our linebacker core had 2 seniors, and need I remind you we lost our entire O-line. We lost one of the best RBs in the SEC, and his back up, the number 1 recruit in high school. We were playing people this year who had far less talent or were far less experienced than everyone we played...minus UTM, and Memphis State. We couldn't fill our scholarship spots, and I'm sure the other teams we played didn't have that problem. As for big wins, sure we didn't beat Oregon or Bama, but we outplayed Oregon in the first half with a QB that wouldn't start on ANY SEC team. That my friend is all coaching. They out coached them in the first half and out schemed them. Our lack of talent proved evident in the 2nd half. I don't want to get into should and could haves, but we busted LSUs butt up and down the field...Dooley took La Tech to it's 5th bowl, 1st win since '01, and 2nd win ever. His coaching talent was evident at LSU and La Tech. His players are discipline and don't get armed robbery charges...He recruited great talent at LSU and was responsible for Justin Hunter and Da'rick...So stay closed minded my friend. Everyone else here will be nice and comfy watching us win 5 straight, with total confidence in our coach...and when we outcoach UNC in Nashville with the freshman QB who is replacing a 6th round draft pick...we'll ride home in the Dooley truck...
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justingroves said:
Win 8 games next season and close out recruiting well this spring and Dooley looks like a steal.

Dooley looks good now, but he needs to show consistent improvement to get a huge vote of confidence from me.

I like what he did this year (for the most part) and holding this team together was huge.

However, at the end of the day, he took a depleted Tennessee squad that was still better than Vandy and Memphis and right there with Ole Miss and Kentucky talent wise and won. So being a better coach than Houston Nutt and Joker Phillips is okay, but Tennessee fans should expect that from a Tennessee HC.
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That's all I'm saying. Did he show some positive things? Sure. Did he show a negative thing here or there? Sure. He's no different than a lot of coaches that are worth their salt in their first year. My only real point was not understanding the jump between that kind of assessment and stating that he is essentially Saban v2.0.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
That's all I'm saying. Did he show some positive things? Sure. Did he show a negative thing here or there? Sure. He's no different than a lot of coaches that are worth their salt in their first year. My only real point was not understanding the jump between that kind of assessment and stating that he is essentially Saban v2.0.
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Very few of us thought he was the second coming of Saban. in fact, I don't think I'd like him being Saban. Dooley is much more sociable and seems to have an awesome sense of humor (Saban is a grouchy ol' basterrrd.)

At any rate, most of the positivity is rational. You just have to get used to the delusion that comes with any large fan base. Look at UK - they think they're better than us every year. Clearly not.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Very few of us thought he was the second coming of Saban. in fact, I don't think I'd like him being Saban. Dooley is much more sociable and seems to have an awesome sense of humor (Saban is a grouchy ol' basterrrd.)

At any rate, most of the positivity is rational. You just have to get used to the delusion that comes with any large fan base. Look at UK - they think they're better than us every year. Clearly not.
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Look around on this message board. There are plenty of mouth breathers on here that are convinced of what you just stated or at the very least that Dooley is the long-term solution.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Look around on this message board. There are plenty of mouth breathers on here that are convinced of what you just stated or at the very least that Dooley is the long-term solution.
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And this bothers you how? Delicate sensibilities? Just move on. Some people think he will succeed, some don't. You seem to be stuck in the middle complaining.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
And this bothers you how? Delicate sensibilities? Just move on. Some people think he will succeed, some don't. You seem to be stuck in the middle complaining.
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One of the main reasons why it bothers me is b/c IF Dooley is not the solution, then I want him gone as soon as possible. I don't want another Fulmer situation where it gets dragged out for 4+ years. The more convinced people are that he's on that level of coaching, the longer it will take to get him out IF he's going 7-5 in 2012.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
One of the main reasons why it bothers me is b/c IF Dooley is not the solution, then I want him gone as soon as possible. I don't want another Fulmer situation where it gets dragged out for 4+ years. The more convinced people are that he's on that level of coaching, the longer it will take to get him out IF he's going 7-5 in 2012.
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Nothing we can do about that right now. No way of knowing if he will fail.

He has shown some things that have given people hope. Why worry about it now? Waste of time.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
That's all I'm saying. Did he show some positive things? Sure. Did he show a negative thing here or there? Sure. He's no different than a lot of coaches that are worth their salt in their first year. My only real point was not understanding the jump between that kind of assessment and stating that he is essentially Saban v2.0.
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Dooley isn't Saban 2.0

Dooley isn't Saban

Dooley is Dooley end of story.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Very few of us thought he was the second coming of Saban. in fact, I don't think I'd like him being Saban. Dooley is much more sociable and seems to have an awesome sense of humor (Saban is a grouchy ol' basterrrd.)
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Yeah, forget those 2 rings Saban has. Being a comedian is the most important quality in a coach.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Nothing we can do about that right now. No way of knowing if he will fail.

He has shown some things that have given people hope. Why worry about it now? Waste of time.
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Actually, we can do something about it now by curbing our expectations. There's a significant percentage on here that are already on "Dooley=Messiah" road.
 
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