Not Understanding the Dooley Love

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Fulmer could have built a dynasty with the talent he had especially after Spurrier left Florida and managed to get embarrassed by Mark Richt and Nick Saban.
 
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utgibbs said:
It's the weakest the conference has been in a good long while. I think for the first time ever a 3-loss SECE team is going to the SECCG? Is that right?

Fulmer probably wins 8 with his team. We would certainly have competed for the SECE (probably won it, actually) with Fulmer's team.

However, it's hard to fault Dooley. Six wins looks really great right now. Dooley was dealt a weakened hand.
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No way fulmer wins 8 with this team.....the only 3 teams he could have beat was ut martin memphis & maybe vandy....thats a big maybe....fulmer=battle jr
 
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utgibbs said:
It's the weakest the conference has been in a good long while. I think for the first time ever a 3-loss SECE team is going to the SECCG? Is that right?

Fulmer probably wins 8 with his team. We would certainly have competed for the SECE (probably won it, actually) with Fulmer's team.

However, it's hard to fault Dooley. Six wins looks really great right now. Dooley was dealt a weakened hand.
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We'd also still be stuck with Fulmer, which means he would probably answer his East Division Championship 2010 with a losing season.
 
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utgibbs said:
Was clearly a nine win team.

Actually, you and your colleagues are worse than SMG, since he just snipes a couple of rounds a week....

Time to get over Kiff. I said it in Feb 2010, Dooley >> Kiffin from his first three weeks work.
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No it wasn't. Kiffin won a game he shouldn't have, UGA and lost a game he should have won, UCLA. It was a 7 win team, 8 at best.
 
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Why not praise Dooley. Mr. Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama and we all know what happened the next year. We'll come out and surprise some people next year. MARK MY WORDS.
 
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vol4eva said:
How does a coach with possibly the best Qb of all time only win one Sec championship with him?
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Easy. Florida had him beat on talent 2:1. Just take a look at all the NFL journeymen those Florida teams had. Don't look at the lineman though, they don't count. Only skill players matter in modern football.
 
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allvol123 said:
My belief is that Dooley will not succeed at UT. That said, he did a good job this year.
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I like the way you think; NOT, Mr. NEGA-Vol! Go away, and quit posting if you can't make rational and at least semi-positive posts. Let's talk again 2 years from today. You bring the wrong attitude to be a true Vol fan. Just go away until you quit looking into the wrong end of the telescope!!! Just go away.
 
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General Jack said:
That's fair we probably stole one of those games. At the end of the day Kiffin did some good things - Georgia gameplan, crompton development and recruiting bray - but also had some wiffs, notably the UCLA game and the timing of his departure. In retrospect his recruiting was not much better than mid 00s fulmer.
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He and his staff are far better at evaluating talent. We're about the only thing keeping Bray from San Diego State, and although we lost Michael Taylor, whoever discovered him (may have been Thompson) made a damn good catch. Our recruiting would have been great if he had stayed and completed the class.
 
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UTK said:
Why not praise Dooley. Mr. Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama and we all know what happened the next year. We'll come out and surprise some people next year. MARK MY WORDS.
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Saban had also already won a national championship at LSU and been a major success at MSU. But, let's leave those facts out. Gotta love the Saban vs. Dooley comparisons.
 
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chavisut said:
Easy. Florida had him beat on talent 2:1. Just take a look at all the NFL journeymen those Florida teams had. Don't look at the lineman though, they don't count. Only skill players matter in modern football.
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No. Fulmer made a living whipping up on much less talented teams. Except Florida. Who had equal or sometimes only slightly less talent than Tenn. Florida was the watermark for how good Fulmer was agianst comparably talented teams. We are all familiar with the record. To his credit he did get that talent here.

Only skill players matter in modern football.[/QUOTE]

Really?
 
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utgibbs said:
It's the weakest the conference has been in a good long while. I think for the first time ever a 3-loss SECE team is going to the SECCG? Is that right?

Fulmer probably wins 8 with his team. We would certainly have competed for the SECE (probably won it, actually) with Fulmer's team.

However, it's hard to fault Dooley. Six wins looks really great right now. Dooley was dealt a weakened hand.
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Hysterical. Spurrier would have beaten Fulmer so bad he'd have been fired mid-game.
 
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scottybob said:
No. Fulmer made a living whipping up on much less talented teams. Except Florida. Who had equal or sometimes only slightly less talent than Tenn. Florida was the watermark for how good Fulmer was agianst comparably talented teams. We are all familiar with the record. To his credit he did get that talent here.

Only skill players matter in modern football. Really?
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unaware
 
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bigorange#1 said:
No way fulmer wins 8 with this team.....the only 3 teams he could have beat was ut martin memphis & maybe vandy....thats a big maybe....fulmer=battle jr
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If Fulmer were still coach, this team would be A LOT stronger.

I said earlier in the season, we needed five players to make a run. I was not wrong. Easily could have beaten Florida and LSU with five players.

Fulmer would have had 8 - 9 extra contributors. Would have been an 8-win season, and probably a trip to Atlanta.

BUT, no need to dwell. Dooley did exceptional with the hand he was dealt. The LSU debacle was the only thing he did wrong.
 
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utgibbs said:
If Fulmer were still coach, this team would be A LOT stronger.

I said earlier in the season, we needed five players to make a run. I was not wrong. Easily could have beaten Florida and LSU with five players.

Fulmer would have had 8 - 9 extra contributors. Would have been an 8-win season, and probably a trip to Atlanta.

BUT, no need to dwell. Dooley did exceptional with the hand he was dealt. The LSU debacle was the only thing he did wrong.
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As far as a full roster? Yes I agree.

If all PF could do is 8 wins with the east as it is (with a full roster) thats a failure.
 
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chavisut said:
No it wasn't. Kiffin won a game he shouldn't have, UGA and lost a game he should have won, UCLA. It was a 7 win team, 8 at best.
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Easily better than UGA last year. Easily better than Ole Miss last year. Seven NFL'ers with skill players representing.

Just not right.

Dooley, on the other hand, has a roster you would think was a probation roster. He should have beaten LSU. 7 - 5 is definitely -1 par for this team. Dooley did very, very well. I can't remember ever being happy for 6 - 6.

But I'm a happy man today! :loco:
 
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If Fulmer would have won these last 4 games, he would have gotten a contract extension.

Oh, wait.....that actually happened.
 
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utgibbs said:
If Fulmer were still coach, this team would be A LOT stronger.

I said earlier in the season, we needed five players to make a run. I was not wrong. Easily could have beaten Florida and LSU with five players.

Fulmer would have had 8 - 9 extra contributors. Would have been an 8-win season, and probably a trip to Atlanta.

BUT, no need to dwell. Dooley did exceptional with the hand he was dealt. The LSU debacle was the only thing he did wrong.
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If the five players you are talking about are Reggie White, Warren Sapp, Anthony Munoz, Bruce Matthews, and Peyton Manning, all in their prime, you might be right.

Unfortunately, at the end Fulmer was recruiting guys like Carson Anderson and Jarrod Shaw. He was flat out ignoring defensive tackles. Of the big names from his 2008 class, only one has done anything of merit thus far. The two at the greatest positions of need do not play football. The skill players are skillfully warming benches. Fulmer's 2010 Vols would be sitting on 8 losses right now.
 
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BeecherVol said:
As far as a full roster? Yes I agree.

If all PF could do is 8 wins with the east as it is (with a full roster) thats a failure.
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If Fulmer were still coach, we are going to Atlanta next week.

I realize that is failure. I've been on Volnation over a year.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
First off, let me say that I don't dislike Dooley. He's a personable coach that seems to relate well to the players. So, this isn't a knock against him or a statement that he won't ultimately do well at UT.

But, I kinda wish everyone would look at the 6 games we won and who they were against. The combined record of those teams is 23 - 44 (.343).

I understand the depth issues, and I understand the just overall lack of talent. I'm not arguing that we should've beaten any of the teams that we lost to necessarily. All of that is why I don't get how anyone can necessarily love or hate Dooley. But, pretty much all that I've seen on here is tons of praise for Dooley.

I have no clue if this coaching staff can ultimately compete with Meyer, Saban, Petrino, Spurrier, etc. Yet, people just continually praise him for winning those 6 games. I just really don't get it. Anyone care to explain that? And, again, I understand the depth/talent issues, but, even given that, there would've been no reason for us to lose to any of those 6 teams that we beat.
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What's the combined record of those that beat us? Pretty impressive job by CDD and the staff.
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