Not so fast... About Justin Wilcox.

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I don't know how I feel about this new feature.

This thread looks pretty jacked up.
 
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I am new to this site but I have been reading a lot of articles and post by the members. One thing that has really stood out in reading these post is that the majority of so called VOL fans are very very negative. Everyone thought CLK was a stupid hire and thought Hamilton should be fired for making it. Then, after CLK bolted in the middle of the night, everyone was so upset that he left. Now Hamilton went out and found the best guy for the job to restore the pride of UT and everyone hated it again. They wanted the Texas guy or a rerun of Cutcliff. CDD kept the recruiting class in tact and now everyone loves him but thinks he made a bad hire for DC. How many games did Oregon lose during the season? As for TCU, I heard some people talking about them playing for the NC at one point in the season. Glass half empty to most on here.
 
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vol_freak said:
Yes, it's something I'm experimenting with. I'll post details as I finalize everything and figure out the best way to fully implement it into the site.



Exactly.
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Just a reaction to the new thanks button...
The 'thanks' tracking sounds like a good idea. The thread shift is a bit of an adjustment and makes the screen a little more challenging.

Perhaps a thanks without a shift?
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be.
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You're somehow comparing what Boise State did to the Pac-10 champions to what Tennessee did to a team that didn't even belong in Division I, that sucked worse than any team to disgrace the field at Neyland Stadium since The Citadel in '83?

Tennessee didn't score 63 on Western Kentucky because it was the first game of the year. They scored 63 on Western Kentucky because Western Kentucky was terrible.

Boise State didn't hold Oregon to eight points that Saturday because it was the first game of the year. They did so because they were a better football team than Oregon. "It was the first game of the year" is an excuse losers use. Note Oregon didn't use it.

Wilcox might be good, or he might be overrated. But what happened in the first week of the 2009 season has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
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I mean they are our coaches now. Will they be a good staff? Will they be able to coach up our players as well as the old staff? Will we compete in every game and be able to recruit with the top programs in the country? All of these are questions I could stand to have answered today......but I can wait. I did on the last staff and I will on this one. We have coaches...Let's give them time and see if they can compete in the SEC. I don't think next year will be a good test with the schedule and returning players they have to work with. We will know if the team gets better as the year moves forward and they develope or don't develope the players we have signed. If they get the interest of top players in next years recruiting class and go 6-6, maybe we have what we need, but I think it will be three years before we really know for sure.

Go Vols
 
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I don't really care for the thanks feature. However, thanks VF for clearing this up, I initially thought that YOU wrote this thread. Shoulda known better. Why do we have two Vol Freaks-----anyway? No offense intended, but it is somewhat confusing.
If you post something that is good and appreciated, you will know it ----accolades unnecessary. Heck, my ego is big enough; already.
Put me in the sold on Wilcox column.
 
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You can't tell the difference between Vol_Freak and Volsfreak18? If you need help, just look for the "ADMINISTRATOR" button under his name.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
You can't tell the difference between Vol_Freak and Volsfreak18? If you need help, just look for the "ADMINISTRATOR" button under his name.
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Really? Who knew? :)

Actually I was unaware there was another VF on here, and without noticing the 18 attached, I clicked and began reading. After two sentences I realized something wasn't kosher---it didn't read like a VF thread. Now that I have COMPLETELY explained myself, I hope you comprehend.
 
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Nope. Sorry. It's an 18 and it's not even close to the same screen name. You were the one complaining. I'm just pointing out the obvious here.
 
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jcolli30 said:
On a side note, what is the "Thanks" button and tally about? Did that start today?
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I used to post on a board with "slaps and claps." It kept a running "karma" total. People with more claps than slaps had a positive karma score and vice versa.

Oh, and on the topic of this thread...why don't we let them coach a game or two before starting the firejustinwilcox.com sites.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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Your right but i think all he had to work with was two and three star recurits and he did pretty good with them. Think Tenn will give him a great chance with better talent
 
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VolMax said:
We may have pocket 10's, but Hammy was short stacked when the little douchetard jumped ship three weeks prior to NSD. Pocket 10's beat a hell of a lot of other hands.

If you are not all in, go root for the Gators.

Freak, can you put a "No Thanks" button next to the "Thanks" button?
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Max, I see where you're coming from, but we just got burned by a guy that most of us fell for "hook, line, & sinker".

IMO we should cut the guy a little slack for taking a "Wait and See" attitude.

I'm all VOL, but I'm not going to blindly support anything CDD does. So far he's passed every test and I'm really encouraged.

Next Test - Spring Practice
 
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justdooleyit said:
I am new to this site but I have been reading a lot of articles and post by the members. One thing that has really stood out in reading these post is that the majority of so called VOL fans are very very negative. Glass half empty to most on here.
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talkin negative -- you should have been around when phil still roamed.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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This argument doesn't hold water because you only have to look at the rest of the season after that first game. Western Ky was awful against everyone. Oregon won the PAC-10.

Looking back on the season honestly, our defense did not get much better during the year. Ole Miss 42; Ky 24; and VT 37. I just do not believe Boise St. would have given up that many.
 
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I'm not understanding your point about TCU struggling against good defenses. You did say good defenses!
Sorry, this is in reply to the beginning of the thread. I'm still figuring out how to work this website.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.
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Wait, wait, wait..so you're saying that good defenses hold offenses to fewer points than bad defenses? Hard-hitting analysis.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Nope. Sorry. It's an 18 and it's not even close to the same screen name. You were the one complaining. I'm just pointing out the obvious here.
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Well I certainly hope you got off on it.



Since VF is the man; here-- I see no need for another---or any semblance thereof. That is what I mean by comprehension.
 
#45
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umm he was DC at Boise for 4 yrs and went undefeated 2 out of those years.

it really dont require much thought or analysis. hes obviously doing something right
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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Splitting hairs.
 
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81Bubbavol said:
Max, I see where you're coming from, but we just got burned by a guy that most of us fell for "hook, line, & sinker".

IMO we should cut the guy a little slack for taking a "Wait and See" attitude.

I'm all VOL, but I'm not going to blindly support anything CDD does. So far he's passed every test and I'm really encouraged.

Next Test - Spring Practice
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The OP said:

"So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense."

IMO, if your name is "VolFreak" anything, you need to be all in on the new staff. To not be all in is to say you do not have enough confidence in the current staff to give your all supporting the Vols. It is silly to say that you support the Vols 75%... "if at some point in the future I find them to be sufficiently competent, I will release the remaing 25% of my support."

Would I have been happier with a DC other than Wilcox? Maybe, but it wouldn't cause me to change my level of support for the Vols. I posted that I was all in when it appeared Cutcliffe was going to be HC even though I thought he was a horrible choice.

If the guy really thinks he has some reservations about supporting the staff at this point, he needs to put his orange colored glasses back on and wait until Double D and Co have had a chance to take the field.

We all LOVED the high profile staff assembled by the little douche that just burned us. How'd that turn out?

Forget Spring Practice and the walk through against Martin, bring on 9/11 and the Ducks!
 
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3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Oh, and on the topic of this thread...why don't we let them coach a game or two before starting the firejustinwilcox.com sites.
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uh... because it's 8 months til we find out anything, so speculation, guesswork, hopes and fears are what we've got right now. That's the fun of it. (And, for the record, I like the Wilcox hire.)
 
#49
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Time will tell. The guy is considered a hot coach right now. I love that he is a young guy. He should be able to relate to the players and get good effort from them. He was playing with 2.5 star players. Give him a chance. He has shown that he knows how to defend spread offenses. I would much rather have him than some of these older guys we were hearing about. If he is in over his head (I love the hire. Don't think so.) Then you can fire him. It's not like we are competing for championships the next couple of years. I will take this staff over Fulmer's last staff. PS I like Chavis. but everyone that has followed him closely knows he coaches afraid on 3rd down. The stats don't lie. Why not change what you are doing for the love of your fans sanity?
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Ducks vs. Broncos - Box Score - September 3, 2009 - NCAA - Football - SI.com

Stats from the 2009 Oregon game.

Even though this following game was a shoot out....and in my opinion one of the best bowl games I've ever watched in my 33 years on earth...Wilcox's defense held Adrian Peterson to 77 yds on 20 carries...with 2 and 3 * level players...for what it is worth:

USATODAY.com - College Football - Boise St. vs. Oklahoma
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...and 4 turnovers which may have made the difference in the game. (Not a bad defensive effort for a team that was clearly outmanned on that side of the ball.)
 
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