Not so fast... About Justin Wilcox.

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As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
 
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I will say what I've been saying... We DON'T KNOW YET.

Dooley got off to a good start with what he accomplished with this recruiting class. We don't know if this staff can coach a lick or not. We all hope so. Most of us are willing to look at the positives in their backgrounds. But they haven't even gone through the first spring practice together yet. This group has never coached or run a program together.

There are just way too many unknowns to coronate or condemn them at this point.
 
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I'm not convinced that it is a homerun hire, either; but, his stats against Oregon do little to convince me one way or the other.
 
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He was there the year before when they beat Oregon at Eugen (sp). What were the stats for that game? Non't trying to be rude just asking.
 
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On a side note, what is the "Thanks" button and tally about? Did that start today?
 
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jcolli30 said:
On a side note, what is the "Thanks" button and tally about? Did that start today?
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On other boards when someone posts something that you really agree with or helps you prove a point you hit the thanks button and it gives them thanks. It usually shows up under their profile to the left how many times they have been thanked. Sort of a way to keep track of people whom are good posters and usually have good stuff to say.
 
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DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
Ducks vs. Broncos - Box Score - September 3, 2009 - NCAA - Football - SI.com

Stats from the 2009 Oregon game.

Even though this following game was a shoot out....and in my opinion one of the best bowl games I've ever watched in my 33 years on earth...Wilcox's defense held Adrian Peterson to 77 yds on 20 carries...with 2 and 3 * level players...for what it is worth:

USATODAY.com - College Football - Boise St. vs. Oklahoma
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The only think about that is his defense still gave up 42 points. I mean if TN put 8 or even 9 in the box I bet you we could hold a lot of running backs to 3.9 yards a carry. However, as a team they gave up 174 yards of rushing total for an average of 4.6 yards a carry. If anything that defensive showing is less impressive than this years Oregon game, but I am not impressed with either.
 
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I guess there's a reason none of these posts have thanks beside them. ha ha just sayin. Yes i'm drinking the dol aid, but it's more fun to be positive!!!!
 
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jcolli30 said:
On a side note, what is the "Thanks" button and tally about? Did that start today?
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Yes, it's something I'm experimenting with. I'll post details as I finalize everything and figure out the best way to fully implement it into the site.

VolsFreak18 said:
On other boards when someone posts something that you really agree with or helps you prove a point you hit the thanks button and it gives them thanks. It usually shows up under their profile to the left how many times they have been thanked. Sort of a way to keep track of people whom are good posters and usually have good stuff to say.
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Exactly.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.
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To counter your point, it very well could be that Boise was very rusty and struggled at times on D because it was the very first game of the season.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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I think some may be overlooking one current factor that figures into this speculation equation. He wasn't using SEC caliber players at BSU-in fact most probably couldn't play at UT. Now he has a roster full of three and four star guys. See how that might now figure in as making some difference? :peace2:
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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Are you referencing Lee Corso with the "Not so fast my friend" line? If so this is an automatic fail thread imo.
 
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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We may have pocket 10's, but Hammy was short stacked when the little douchetard jumped ship three weeks prior to NSD. Pocket 10's beat a hell of a lot of other hands.

If you are not all in, go root for the Gators.

Freak, can you put a "No Thanks" button next to the "Thanks" button?
 
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Wilcox is unproven really. BS in the WAC just can not give us a clear indication of how good or bad this hire is. Personally I think he is going to be over matched but i hope I'm wrong, didn't he give up 35 or so to that giant power La Tech???
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Wilcox is unproven really. BS in the WAC just can not give us a clear indication of how good or bad this hire is. Personally I think he is going to be over matched but i hope I'm wrong, didn't he give up 35 or so to that giant power La Tech???
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Yeah the team DOOLEY coached? Obv he was going to have problems with the master.:)
 
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I think we need to take a wait and see. Heard Peter Sermon talking about him last night. Peter Sermon was his college roommate. Says he is a great hire. Talked about how he used 4-3 set in some games and 3-4 set in other games depending on their opponent. Seems to be a brilliant X and O guy. Bases his scheme on who they are playing and willing to try something different. We will be a bit short in some places this year. Maybe he can scheme around some of the shortfalls.
 
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VolMax said:
We may have pocket 10's, but Hammy was short stacked when the little douchetard jumped ship three weeks prior to NSD. Pocket 10's beat a hell of a lot of other hands.

If you are not all in, go root for the Gators.

Freak, can you put a "No Thanks" button next to the "Thanks" button?
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Weak poker analogy followed by pure genius.

No, thanks.
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VolsFreak18 said:
As I have been reading the last few days about peoples reaction to Justin Wilcox I have noticed a few things. The general feelings is that he was either a home run hire or at least a highly thought of hire. I was among the crowd that thought he was a homerun hire as well. After thinking about it a lot more I am not so sure.

His resume does speak volumes about what he has done thus far in his career. Many people are quick to point out what his defense did against Oregon and TCU. After looking up a few things I don't know that I think it was that big of a deal.

The reason I don't put much into what he did against Oregon is because it was the first game of the season. That goes for both offense and defense. I mean we put up 63 against W.Kentucky and we all knew that the UCLA game would be more telling about how good our team was going to be. In week one three games stood out that teams just didn't look like they were ready to play. Georgia was held to 10 points (their season avg was 27.7), BYU and Oklahoma were both way below their averages of 34.8 and 31.1, finally South Carolina and NC State played to a 7-3 game which was off of their averages of 21.8 and 30.3. The main point here is as much as it might look like Justin's defense held Oregon in check, it very well could have been that Oregon (which by the way had a new coach) just struggled on offense because it was the very first game of the season.

TCU might be a little more telling about how good of a job Justin did in calling a defense. However, when I went back to check TCU's schedule a couple games stood out. Against two of the better defenses that TCU played during the regular season they struggled against both. Air Force was giving up only 15.3 points a game this year and TCU only scored 20. Clemson was giving up 21 points a game and in this game TCU only scored 14. So maybe just maybe TCU was held to 10 points because they struggled against decent defenses and perhaps they were a bit overrated.

So after doing a little more research and taking off my orange colored glasses I no longer think of this as a home run hire that many on here think it is. I guess I am in the wait and see camp. I am just not going to go all in based on what he did against two teams especially when there could have been reasons why both teams didn't preform well on offense.
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So, I'm still working on 1st cup of coffee and didn t read your post... i just gathered that you have concerns and you provided some point totals amassed by opponents.. AGREED!

The 1st thing I did was scan the scores from last season, and I think it must be a concern. I assume Boise had superior talent to the rest of the WAC and their defense, given that, was less than impressive.
 
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