Not impressed with Justin Fuente

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KBVol said:
No. You said Memphis lost Temple as a way to discount Memphis' season.
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How would that be a knock on Memphis? Temple was a team who beat the team who beat the team who beat Alabama. Clearly that can't be discounted
 
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Anyone have links to their Message boards ? Im curious to know what they think?
I was at the peach bowl win against Kiffy and their fans were overjoyed after that game.
 
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utvolpj said:
And lost to Temple
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Wasn't Temple also ranked until like their bowl game? (I think a, what, then-top 10 Notre Dame just got by them with a 4-point win, correct?)


(Edit: sorry, late to the conversation. It looks like this was already covered.)
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I'm going to preface this with the fact that I think we will comfortably beat VT (at least from a scoreboard standpoin) and that I see them as only a 6-8 win team tops in 2016(with 8 wins meaning they benefit from a few lucky breaks against teams like Pitt or Duke). If we shared their schedule, I think we'd be expected to win 11 games with the ND game being considered a toss up by many.

As for Fuente, I think he'll work out well for VT eventually, but it will take him a few seasons to get things going. Sure, his first two years at Memphis were ugly. But they had won 5 total games in the three years before he got there. He was able build them back up in just 3 years once he had a chance to bring in his own guys and coach up the ones he'd had left behind.

I think he's a good fit at VT. VT has a pretty good talent pool not too far from campus and, while I don't see Fuente becoming an elite recruiter by any means, I think he'll do well enough at getting the players he needs for his system to be compete for Division championships eventually. The fact that he was able to keep Foster on as DC should mean that they'll be ready to do that as soon as he has some of his guys and his offensive system well established.


I might be wrong about all that and maybe he'll crash and burn. I think he's a good coach and VT will be set for a while with him, though.
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I remember the last time I thought we'd comfortably beat VT.
 
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Two things:

One, back when UT played VT at the Peach Bowl, I watched a UT fan KO a Hokie. VT fan was drunk and obnoxious and started it, from my understanding. Unfortunately, both fans were escorted from the game.

Two, I have looked and looked through their jumbled mess of forums, and there really isn't much concerning the Battle at Bristol. A few fans think we're 'in for a surprise', but overall they seem to understand UT is a better team. They don't like the "$EC". They think the line will be from -8 to -13.5.
 
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How funny. So easy to predict the Fuente lovers. I wonder how long until they dump him like they dumped Franklin. Not much love for JF now days. I remember all the "Just wait until he turns PsU around". I wonder how many would trade Jones for Franklin now?
 
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ReaderVol said:
How funny. So easy to predict the Fuente lovers. I wonder how long until they dump him like they dumped Franklin. Not much love for JF now days. I remember all the "Just wait until he turns PsU around". I wonder how many would trade Jones for Franklin now?
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So if someone liked Fuente's abilities as a coach then they liked Franklin?
 
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ReaderVol said:
How funny. So easy to predict the Fuente lovers. I wonder how long until they dump him like they dumped Franklin. Not much love for JF now days. I remember all the "Just wait until he turns PsU around". I wonder how many would trade Jones for Franklin now?
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How are the two related? Frankin had never been a head coach prior to Vandy, Fuente turned a dumpster of a program into a very good team. Franklin never really beat a team of note at VU either, and his tenure looked alot better than it really was bc of a bad UT program at the time.
 
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TrueOrange said:
So if someone liked Fuente's abilities as a coach then they liked Franklin?
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Some of the same people who are Fuente lovers and lamented that we had Butch stated they'd have traded for Franklin or Fuente. I'm laughing at them. Some of the EXACT same people saying the exact same things. But alas Franklin proved to be what most of us knew. And I think Fuente will do the same.
 
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holdemvol said:
How are the two related? Frankin had never been a head coach prior to Vandy, Fuente turned a dumpster of a program into a very good team. Franklin never really beat a team of note at VU either, and his tenure looked alot better than it really was bc of a bad UT program at the time.
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You question is answered in the post above this one.
 
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ReaderVol said:
You question is answered in the post above this one.
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That's not an answer unless you count your feelings as a thought process or consider naming faceless other avatars who have probably said dozens of dumb things as a source for your argument a good thing. Your posts are usually better than that.

Fuente has a favorable comparison to Jones, even more so considering he didn't follow Chip Kelly at his new stop and came into a beat down worthless program. Memphis otherwise fits quite well with C.Michigan as far as level of competition.

Virginia Tech is his Cincy. This time he steps into a more stable program so I guess we'll see if he can improve upon V Tech's perenial .500 record.
 
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utvolpj said:
How would that be a knock on Memphis? Temple was a team who beat the team who beat the team who beat Alabama. Clearly that can't be discounted
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You tell me brother.....you're the one who introduced it in a clear effort to counter AaronVol's statement about Memphis' win over OleMiss being impressive partially because they were the only team to beat "the national champion" last year. Your intent was clear, so you tell me....

08:20 AM Today

Originally Posted by aaronvol:
He beat the only team that beat the national champs.

UTVolPJ:
And lost to Temple
 
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holdemvol said:
How are the two related? Frankin had never been a head coach prior to Vandy, Fuente turned a dumpster of a program into a very good team. Franklin never really beat a team of note at VU either, and his tenure looked alot better than it really was bc of a bad UT program at the time.
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Well said. Plenty of us pointed out that Franklin was a sham at Vandy.....never finished higher than 4th in a pathetic SECEast, lost to all the good teams, beat up on and narrowly defeated all the awful teams. No smoke and mirrors at PSU like at Vandy and Ol' Snakehead is now exposed.....and now that he's lost the real secret to any success he's ever actually had, Bob Shoop, it'll get even worse this year.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
That's not an answer unless you count your feelings as a thought process or consider naming faceless other avatars who have probably said dozens of dumb things as a source for your argument a good thing. Your posts are usually better than that.

Fuente has a favorable comparison to Jones, even more so considering he didn't follow Chip Kelly at his new stop and came into a beat down worthless program. Memphis otherwise fits quite well with C.Michigan as far as level of competition.

Virginia Tech is his Cincy. This time he steps into a more stable program so I guess we'll see if he can improve upon V Tech's perenial .500 record.
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Butch didn't follow Chip Kelly...you mean Mark Helfrich? :)
 
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MustafaRasta said:
That's not an answer unless you count your feelings as a thought process or consider naming faceless other avatars who have probably said dozens of dumb things as a source for your argument a good thing. Your posts are usually better than that.

Fuente has a favorable comparison to Jones, even more so considering he didn't follow Chip Kelly at his new stop and came into a beat down worthless program. Memphis otherwise fits quite well with C.Michigan as far as level of competition.

Virginia Tech is his Cincy. This time he steps into a more stable program so I guess we'll see if he can improve upon V Tech's perenial .500 record.
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I don't think Chip Kelly had a thing to do with Butch's success. What Butch has done here is remarkable. Kiffin with Eric Berry and other All-Stars couldn't even beat Virginia Tech. Kiffin was a terrible OC even while he was head coach at USC. He is being groomed by Saban now and that's why he has done a good job at Bama. Seriously after I studied Kiffins past I came to the conclusion that he should have never been offered the Raiders HC job nor being the HC here.
 
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KBVol said:
Well said. Plenty of us pointed out that Franklin was a sham at Vandy.....never finished higher than 4th in a pathetic SECEast, lost to all the good teams, beat up on and narrowly defeated all the awful teams. No smoke and mirrors at PSU like at Vandy and Ol' Snakehead is now exposed.....and now that he's lost the real secret to any success he's ever actually had, Bob Shoop, it'll get even worse this year.
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I agree that he is done, but I will also give credit where it is due. He sold enough snake oil to land one of the best jobs in the country.
 
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Also some of you Fuente lovers claimed the tiggers would have beaten UT had they played last year. Clearly he has more talent at VPI. Let's see the excuses for him after we beat them.
Will be rich
 
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